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Old 10-27-2011, 09:17 AM
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Digging, if we can find existing constitutional authority for a court to stop an action, then I am with you.

beyond that the answer is the employees should get together and make a stand.

government however is not the answer.
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hmm.... constitutional grounds for such?
I don't understand what you're asking.

The constitutional grounds for trial by a jury of ones peers is Article 3 Section 2.
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I don't know what you're asking.

The constitutional grounds for trial by a jury of ones peers is Article 3 Section 2.
No the constitutional ground for a court to stop the business from this action.


this would not likely be a Jury trial.
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Digging, if we can find existing constitutional authority for a court to stop an action, then I am with you.

beyond that the answer is the employees should get together and make a stand.

government however is not the answer.
A government that represents the people is definitely the answer. And when it ceases to do so... the people should destroy it and form one that does.
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Digging, if we can find existing constitutional authority for a court to stop an action, then I am with you.

beyond that the answer is the employees should get together and make a stand.

government however is not the answer.
That would be fine too.

Are you saying that no one but the individuals affected have any recourse against corporations who overstep their bounds of intrusion into people's personal lives?
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"corporate power is at its worst"

that is an interesting commnet. I suspect a coal minor living in a company town being paid in company script, living in company housing circa 1880 would beg to differ.


I suppose an Irish immagrent working in a sweatshop along with all of their underaged children being told to have more children to work in the sweatshop, being chained to the machines so they wouldnt walk off the job, circa 1900 would beg to differ.

I would like to see a comparison of Standard Oil before Teddy Roosevelt broke it up and Exxon. Exxon would be a poor relation. Shoot Standard Oil still hase 2 senators alive and kicking to this day.

We should consider the historic reality before making such comments.

There is room to improve things. there are areas where some corporations over step. those things should be dealt with. that does not however mean that we live in some dangerous liberty threatend period where corporations are trying to take over. That is a liberal myth created to scare people into accepting progressive politics.
Friend... it's the desire to control human beings and endenture them in their own homes that led to the atrocities you speak of. Sure, the specific offense of trying to control a free man who chooses to smoke is not as serious as many of the atrocities you mentioned... but the very spirit behind the notion is just as evil. Such abuses of power need to be kicked in the teeth quickly and without remorse.
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A government that represents the people is definitely the answer. And when it ceases to do so... the people should destroy it and form one that does.
Our current government is a government of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations.
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That would be fine too.

Are you saying that no one but the individuals affected have any recourse against corporations who overstep their bounds of intrusion into people's personal lives?
if you are talking about a court of law the answer is yes.

you must have standing to bring suit. YOU cannot sue this company because you are not an employee, you are not a potential employee who smokes. etc.
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Our current government is a government of the corporations, by the corporations and for the corporations.
Exactly. On one side you have the corporations... on the other the communist nutcases.

Today... our government is ruled by the right and the left. The right and the left hands of evil.

Where are those who love REAL liberty?

And what were they thinking when they recognized corporate personhood??? With slavery... they saw people as property. With corporate personhood... they see property like it's people.
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Friend... it's the desire to control human beings and endenture them in their own homes that led to the atrocities you speak of. Sure, the specific offense of trying to control a free man who chooses to smoke is not as serious as many of the atrocities you mentioned... but the very spirit behind the notion is just as evil. Such abuses of power need to be kicked in the teeth quickly and without remorse.

Aquila, you suggested that corporate power is at an all time high. That is a false notion. Corporations are far more limited today than at anytime in history.

is there a shift back taking place? there is certainly a strong and ugly move by powerful people to work within the current framework to buy the influence of government. WE need to work to stop that.

but your intial comment was simply, historically wrong.
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