USA To Use Foreign Aid To Promote Gay Rights

[Titus2woman]

According to the gay people I know, they do not want a domestic partnership, or a legal contract with power of attorney, or property rights. They want to get married. To publicly acknowledge their love for one another as well as their legal commitment and to have others acknowledge it as well. Some want a ceremony with all the bells and whistles and some a trip to the JP but they all want the right to do what a marriage is to them.

I saw a National Geographic special the other day. Some lost tribe of the Amazon... the narrator calmly stated '... he has two wives, they have had 12 children but only 3 are alive today'... the point was that there is a very high child mortality rate. No judgement was passed on the 'two wives' issue, whether or not they got married in a church or had a license issued by the state. These were simply his wives because by their own customs they met that criteria.

I think we can look at gay marriage the same way. While it does not meet the criteria of 'marriage' by our Christian standards it meets the standards of the people it involves and that really is not for us to question.

Our mission is to reach the lost with the Good News of Jesus Christ... and to trust that He'll fix the rest just as He did for us. I find no commandment to 'Go ye forth to all the Nations and legislate by what moral code they will live.'

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

According to the gay people I know, they do not want a domestic partnership, or a legal contract with power of attorney, or property rights. They want to get married. To publicly acknowledge their love for one another as well as their legal commitment and to have others acknowledge it as well. Some want a ceremony with all the bells and whistles and some a trip to the JP but they all want the right to do what a marriage is to them.

I saw a National Geographic special the other day. Some lost tribe of the Amazon... the narrator calmly stated '... he has two wives, they have had 12 children but only 3 are alive today'... the point was that there is a very high child mortality rate. No judgement was passed on the 'two wives' issue, whether or not they got married in a church or had a license issued by the state. These were simply his wives because by their own customs they met that criteria.

I think we can look at gay marriage the same way. While it does not meet the criteria of 'marriage' by our Christian standards it meets the standards of the people it involves and that really is not for us to question.

Our mission is to reach the lost with the Good News of Jesus Christ... and to trust that He'll fix the rest just as He did for us. I find no commandment to 'Go ye forth to all the Nations and legislate by what moral code they will live.'

That sounds nice... the problem is, they not only want marriage, they want recognition of the same by the church and Christians. And of course we are called to "legislate" morality in the church.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

According to the gay people I know, they do not want a domestic partnership, or a legal contract with power of attorney, or property rights. They want to get married. To publicly acknowledge their love for one another as well as their legal commitment and to have others acknowledge it as well. Some want a ceremony with all the bells and whistles and some a trip to the JP but they all want the right to do what a marriage is to them.

I saw a National Geographic special the other day. Some lost tribe of the Amazon... the narrator calmly stated '... he has two wives, they have had 12 children but only 3 are alive today'... the point was that there is a very high child mortality rate. No judgement was passed on the 'two wives' issue, whether or not they got married in a church or had a license issued by the state. These were simply his wives because by their own customs they met that criteria.

I think we can look at gay marriage the same way. While it does not meet the criteria of 'marriage' by our Christian standards it meets the standards of the people it involves and that really is not for us to question.

Our mission is to reach the lost with the Good News of Jesus Christ... and to trust that He'll fix the rest just as He did for us. I find no commandment to 'Go ye forth to all the Nations and legislate by what moral code they will live.'

If that's all they want then let them throw the biggest I love you ceremony in the world... Just at the end of the day it won't be legally called marriage. Here's the hangup for me, their want of having it legally called marriage is irrational. They can have marriage ceremonies. I'll even throw in a civil union type thing to protect them but why do they care if we legally call those unions marriage or not?

[AncientPaths]

Originally Posted by jfrog

If that's all they want then let them throw the biggest I love you ceremony in the world... Just at the end of the day it won't be legally called marriage. Here's the hangup for me, their want of having it legally called marriage is irrational. They can have marriage ceremonies. I'll even throw in a civil union type thing to protect them but why do they care if we legally call those unions marriage or not?

The term marriage should not be in our laws to begin with. That's what happens when you mix church and state and then get mad about the ramifications. Marriage as we see it is a Holy union. So why is it a legal contract? All government recognized unions should simply be civil unions. The marriage part happens at church.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by AncientPaths

The term marriage should not be in our laws to begin with. That's what happens when you mix church and state and then get mad about the ramifications. Marriage as we see it is a Holy union. So why is it a legal contract? All government recognized unions should simply be civil unions. The marriage part happens at church.

Good point!

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by AncientPaths

The term marriage should not be in our laws to begin with. That's what happens when you mix church and state and then get mad about the ramifications. Marriage as we see it is a Holy union. So why is it a legal contract? All government recognized unions should simply be civil unions. The marriage part happens at church.

I love this! Thank you for speaking something from my heart that my mind just couldn't seem to get out there.

At this point calling it marrige or not is really just semantics. If they have equal protection under the law, equal rights to benefits with marrieds, must have a legal process to undo what has been done (divorce) than they have gained the same status as marrieds any way... whatever you call it.

Only with the Lord's blessing does marriage become holy matrimony.

[deafdriscoll]

I have been reading all this and just digesting it all.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by AncientPaths

The term marriage should not be in our laws to begin with. That's what happens when you mix church and state and then get mad about the ramifications. Marriage as we see it is a Holy union. So why is it a legal contract? All government recognized unions should simply be civil unions. The marriage part happens at church.

Mix church and state?
What on earth are you talking about.
Every culture on this earth has some sort of "marriage" ceremony.
Our culture has defined it as "one man and one woman".
Now various agendas want to change the definition.
Let me ask this again, since no one has answered it.

For those of you who support changing it to include same-sex unions,
where do you stand on multiple partner "marriages"?

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Mix church and state?
What on earth are you talking about.
Every culture on this earth has some sort of "marriage" ceremony.
Our culture has defined it as "one man and one woman".
Now various agendas want to change the definition.
Let me ask this again, since no one has answered it.

For those of you who support changing it to include same-sex unions,
where do you stand on multiple partner "marriages"?

I think polygamy and polyandry should be allowed between consenting adults, same as opposite sex marriages and same sex marriages.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Twisp

I think polygamy and polyandry should be allowed between consenting adults, same as opposite sex marriages and same sex marriages.

That is precisely where we are headed.
And that way lies madness.
You cannot, logically, support gay "marriage" without supporting this.