USA To Use Foreign Aid To Promote Gay Rights

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

That is precisely where we are headed.
And that way lies madness.
You cannot, logically, support gay "marriage" without supporting this.

If people want to head down that path, let them. Let the government use the same designation for all civil unions/marriages. The government has no place telling consenting adults who they can and cannot marry.

[AncientPaths]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Mix church and state?
What on earth are you talking about.
Every culture on this earth has some sort of "marriage" ceremony.
Our culture has defined it as "one man and one woman".
Now various agendas want to change the definition.
Let me ask this again, since no one has answered it.

For those of you who support changing it to include same-sex unions,
where do you stand on multiple partner "marriages"?

Read my post carefully again. It's pretty clear. The perfect marriage union ordained by God should not be a contract regulated by an imperfect, carnal government.

They should have always been distinct and separate from each other. Marriage ceremony in a church bound by God supplemented by a civil union contract recognized by the state government.

What that has to with other cultures and their marriage ceremonies is beyond me. Really simple.

[AncientPaths]

Originally Posted by Twisp

If people want to head down that path, let them. Let the government use the same designation for all civil unions/marriages. The government has no place telling consenting adults who they can and cannot marry.

Agreed. If anything, I'd be more inclined to up the age requirement for traditional marriage (even with parental consent) before I'd get bent out of shape about polygamy.

[Hoovie]

The government cannot and should not be held to the same standards as the church. That being said, I think the further the government strays From basic scriptual principles, the more trouble it brings to the whole of society. Whether it's celebrating homosexuality, "consenting" pedophilia, rewarding those who will not work, or forced redistribution of wealth - these are the signs of the times we live in.

[AncientPaths]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

The government cannot and should not be held to the same standards as the church. That being said, I think the further the government strays From basic scriptual principles, the more trouble it brings to the whole of society. Whether it's celebrating homosexuality, "consenting" pedophilia, rewarding those who will not work, or forced redistribution of wealth - these are the signs of the times we live in.

I can agree with this. Though to say that allowing someone a set of rights is necessarily "celebrating" is a bit of a stretch. Though I'm sure some will be celebrating. And then, to have the pedophila thing lumped in with that is a horrendous leap. That is not a "next step" along the so-called slippery slope. That will never, ever happen without an all out war - at which I would be on the front lines. And then you started veering into an anti-socialism argument - which I agree with, but I wouldn't necessarily cause redistribution of wealth to be anti-Biblical.

[aegsm76]

The age of consent in England is 16. You see a lot of 40 year old men with 16 year old girls.
That, to me, would qualify as pedophilia.

[Praxeas]

Why isn't this something the UN should take care of instead?

[AncientPaths]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

The age of consent in England is 16. You see a lot of 40 year old men with 16 year old girls.
That, to me, would qualify as pedophilia.

Yep. Agree. That's an age of consent issue.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Twisp

If people want to head down that path, let them. Let the government use the same designation for all civil unions/marriages. The government has no place telling consenting adults who they can and cannot marry.

Does the government have a right to tell you what you can do with your property?
Does the government have a right to tell you when you can drink alcoholic beverages?
Does the government have a right declaring some drugs illegal?
Does the government have a right to tell us we have to buy healthcare?
Does the government have a right to tell us who we can hire?

Come on, the same groups screaming that the government does not have a right to tell them they cannot get married are the first ones to try to use the government to enforce their agenda.

Not to veer off on a tangent, but what are your thoughts about abortion?

I sense a lot of "I support liberty", here.
But very little thought as to where this support will take us as a society.

Let's think about this for a minute, with just a small example.
Six "consenting" adults enter into a multiple partner marriage.
Children come into the marriage.
These six adults get a divorce.
How will you divide up the visitation and custodial rights?
As I said, this way leads to madness.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by AncientPaths

I can agree with this. Though to say that allowing someone a set of rights is necessarily "celebrating" is a bit of a stretch. Though I'm sure some will be celebrating. And then, to have the pedophila thing lumped in with that is a horrendous leap. That is not a "next step" along the so-called slippery slope. That will never, ever happen without an all out war - at which I would be on the front lines. And then you started veering into an anti-socialism argument - which I agree with, but I wouldn't necessarily cause redistribution of wealth to be anti-Biblical.

I did not say it was a next step. My point really was that it's equally abominable.

Actually, there is a quite developed movement to lower or remove age of consent laws.

Additionally, there have already been government sanctioned efforts to legalize pedophilia and incest in parts of Europe. This, of course, done to "develop a sense of pride in their sex" for toddlers one yr to six years old...

This is a quote from a German "Ministry for Family Affairs" publication:

"Fathers do not devote enough attention to the clitoris and vagina of their daughters. Their caresses too seldom pertain to these regions, while this is the only way the girls can develop a sense of pride in their sex," reads the booklet regarding 1-3 year olds. The authors rationalize, "The child touches all parts of their father’s body, sometimes arousing him. The father should do the same."

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/arc...7/jul/07073008

That is the kind of corruption I was referring to when I say a government can bring trouble to the whole of society.