Pentagon Report:War With China

[pelathais]

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3) The Wukan Uprising. The non-Han ethnic peoples of South China are also in revolt. There have been numerous and continuous riots and even armed revolts over the past few years. The city of Wukan is currently an armed bastion of rebels who have sealed themselves off from the Han controlled People's Liberation Army (PLA - Mao's old "Red Army") which surrounds the city.

Despite having (supposedly) superior military forces, the PLA hasn't even been able to effectively secure the perimeter of the city. Surrounding towns and villages have been reinforcing Wukan and building up a pretty hefty supply of food. The PLA's announced strategy was that they were going to "starve" Wukan into submission. How is Red China going to "take" Taiwan when they can't even settle accounts with this little band of rebels?

My 13 (14?) year old niece was just rock climbing about 500 miles to the west of Wukan - far enough away that the school trip wasn't canceled, yet in the same region. The whole region is in an uproar and the only thing holding the country together is the dominance of the PLA. Just let the PLA get busy trying to take Taiwan and we're back to the "Three Kingdoms" period - a period of time when Tibet was able to effectively invade and conquer much of what is now modern China.

[pelathais]

China is a basket case when it comes to the unity of its current empire. They have NO FRIENDS in the region. They are currently locked in a struggle over the Spratly Islands facing off against Taiwan, the Philippines, Indonesia and their old foe, Vietnam. A military move against Taiwan will bring the whole region down against them - including, ultimately, Japan and Russia.

Russia took what is generally considered the largest territorial acquisition in modern times away from China back in the 1850s. China tried, and failed to retake the Manchurian territories in a series of armed invasions of the U.S.S.R in 1969.

In 2008, Russia agreed to return the additional territory they had appropriated in the 1969 conflict. In the eyes of many Russian nationalists, current Russian claims extend, in fact, all the way through Manchuria to the port of Dalian (formerly Port Arthur) encompassing the old Czarist holdings lost to Japan in 1908 and then transferred from Japan to China in 1945.

Japan is currently funding the international Cambodian inquiry into the Khmer Rouge genocides of the 1970s. Of special interest is the Chinese airbase that was built with slave labor in Cambodia - slaves who were later executed (annihilated!) and buried in the grounds around the base. The judges are from several countries.

http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/asi...6/s3250973.htm

http://www.civicus-cam.org/programs/...-legacy/61/147

http://the-diplomat.com/2011/11/18/%...l-ready-to-go/

A German judge recently quit the panel when the current Cambodian gov't announced that they were not going to hand down any more indictments.

These events represent the united, though all too often understated, stance of the ENTIRE international community against the policies (past AND present) of the mainland Chinese gov't. Simply put, China is too weak to start any real wars. They know this and this is why they use "proxy armies" and seed "Maoist revolutions" around the globe hoping to undermine their rivals.

It was Vietnam's invasion of Cambodia that routed the Khmer Rouge. China responded by invading Vietnam (1979). There isn't a lot of love here and China's invasion was successfully repelled (though at a very high cost) by lowly Vietnam.

Consider also, the Chinese effectively have the largest economy on the planet right now (our GDP is greater, even in a recession) but they have literally $trillions in cash while we have $tillions in debt. Yet, they can't even build their own aircraft carrier. The only carrier they possess is one the Russians were going to scrap - and it's taken them a decade just to get the thing into sea trials.

Michael the D: just how do you think the PLA intends to cross the Straits of Taiwan?

[pelathais]

With all of the other enemies that Communist China has managed to make - add BATMAN!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-activist.html

[Michael The Disciple]

Michael the D: just how do you think the PLA intends to cross the Straits of Taiwan?

Probably the same way the refugees fleeing Communism got there in the late 1940's. If they could do it THEN why cannot the MODERN CHINA do it now?

By the way have you ever heard of the KOREAN WAR? A war the United States Of America fought against the North Koreans and the Chinese?

Can you tell me who WON THAT WAR?

We could not defeat the Chinese army THEN. We settled for a truce.

Those Chinese now have thousands of missles that can easily destroy Taiwan if they chose. And guess what? If they chose to do so they can destroy the United States in one day. Before we can do anything they can send hundreds of nukes our way.

After that our retaliation will not matter to WE THE PEOPLE.

Consider this: I did not just sit here in my living room and make this up myself. Did you read the SOURCE of this report?

Here it is from the link.

On Wednesday, the Pentagon issued its annual report on China’s military, Military and Security Developments Involving the People’s Republic of China 2011 (PDF).

The Pentagon.

[bbyrd009]

Hmm...

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Probably the same way the refugees fleeing Communism got there in the late 1940's. If they could do it THEN why cannot the MODERN CHINA do it now?

By the way have you ever heard of the KOREAN WAR? A war the United States Of America fought against the North Koreans and the Chinese?

Can you tell me who WON THAT WAR?

We could not defeat the Chinese army THEN. We settled for a truce.

Those Chinese now have thousands of missles that can easily destroy Taiwan if they chose. And guess what? If they chose to do so they can destroy the United States in one day. Before we can do anything they can send hundreds of nukes our way.

After that our retaliation will not matter to WE THE PEOPLE.

Consider this: I did not just sit here in my living room and make this up myself. Did you read the SOURCE of this report?

Here it is from the link.

On Wednesday, the Pentagon issued its annual report on China’s military, Military and Security Developments Involving the People’s Republic of China 2011 (PDF).

The Pentagon.

We actually could have won both the Korean and Vietnam wars. Gen. MacArthur was already into mainland China when Eisenhower pulled him out and pulled back. The key there was that China had just gone through a revolution and was not in a position yet where they could effectively bring their military to bear. Korea was very winnable, but American leaders yielded to other voices instead of finishing the job.

We would have won also in Vietnam, but after the Tet Offensive (which actually destroyed the Viet Cong as an effective force in Southern Vietnam) leading men in the United States like Walter Cronkite told America that the war was lost. Between that and politicians forcing the military to retreat after securing an area caused the war to be lost at home before we ever actually were beaten on the field.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Jay

We actually could have won both the Korean and Vietnam wars. Gen. MacArthur was already into mainland China when Eisenhower pulled him out and pulled back. The key there was that China had just gone through a revolution and was not in a position yet where they could effectively bring their military to bear. Korea was very winnable, but American leaders yielded to other voices instead of finishing the job.

We would have won also in Vietnam, but after the Tet Offensive (which actually destroyed the Viet Cong as an effective force in Southern Vietnam) leading men in the United States like Walter Cronkite told America that the war was lost. Between that and politicians forcing the military to retreat after securing an area caused the war to be lost at home before we ever actually were beaten on the field.

Hmm; quite similar to our victory/pullback @ Berlin, yes? Quite the (globalist agenda) pattern, IMO.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Jay

We actually could have won both the Korean and Vietnam wars. Gen. MacArthur was already into mainland China when Eisenhower pulled him out and pulled back. The key there was that China had just gone through a revolution and was not in a position yet where they could effectively bring their military to bear. Korea was very winnable, but American leaders yielded to other voices instead of finishing the job.

We would have won also in Vietnam, but after the Tet Offensive (which actually destroyed the Viet Cong as an effective force in Southern Vietnam) leading men in the United States like Walter Cronkite told America that the war was lost. Between that and politicians forcing the military to retreat after securing an area caused the war to be lost at home before we ever actually were beaten on the field.

We "could have" does not count. China had just went through the second world war also and had endured horrible things against the Japanese for 12 years. We had just lost hundreds of thousands of men also in the war.

Tho we had the much more modern army after 3 years we saw no way to win against China except to begin nuking them. Seeing what nukes did to Japan helped the Chinese come to the table. It would not work today because we know China has hundreds if not thousands of nukes themselves.

They dont need super spohisicated systems to deliver them. We did if with high flying airplanes. They have a large submarine fleet also that can come right to our coasts and deliver them quite easily if they decided to.

Our politicians today have far less will to fight a total war than in those days. The Korean War cost us many times the KIA from both of the wars we have fought in the past decade and neither have we prospered anything of value in them.

[bbyrd009]

Ok, which begs motive, which you say is Taiwan; pretty buyable--but the US history of backing our satellites tells me that it's more likely that we would pimp Taiwan the minute it becomes politically expedient to do so, lol...dresssed up as...something marginally buyable, of course...

[AreYouReady?]

My father was a WWII and Korean Veteran. The only thing these wars gave to him was PTSD and an early death.