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01-08-2012, 09:55 PM
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Re: Do Ministers Really Do This?
This was a board member telling me this news. He related to me that his pastor told the board members.
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01-08-2012, 09:57 PM
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Re: Do Ministers Really Do This?
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It happens all the time here. We were very in with the in crowd at our last church... friends with the associate pastor and other ministers. We heard all the dish on new people.
One place it does not happen is between our old church and our new church. The pastors hate each other. The pastor of our old church having preached what a weak backslider church our present church is over the pulpit... Of course someone couldn't wait to give our pastor the tape. Now it's the Hatfields and the Mc Coys.
Never fear though... we have saints that will tell everything that they know about anyone coming in from any church within 100 miles. Lots of our folks are pretty tightly 'line bred' and everybody knows everybody because one way or the other they are related to everybody.  |
The pastors hate each other? They have hate in their heart for each other and they are both preaching the love of Christ?
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01-08-2012, 10:02 PM
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Re: Do Ministers Really Do This?
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The pastors hate each other? They have hate in their heart for each other and they are both preaching the love of Christ?
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Well if I were to be perfectly correct I would say that the pastor from our old church hates our current pastor. He lies and says terrible things about him and his church, which is actually pretty conservative...
Our current pastor is hurt and believes that our former pastor is lost and is maybe even angry about how he has been treated... but hate, no- I mis-spoke, I am just almost sure he is incapable of real hate. He is a Christian and a gentle soul with a servants heart.
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01-08-2012, 10:03 PM
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Re: Do Ministers Really Do This?
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The pastors hate each other? They have hate in their heart for each other and they are both preaching the love of Christ?
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Kind of nuts huh? Yet I saw it growing up in old time Pentecost. In my case it was one way. I attended the "liberal" UPC church (this was in the mid 70's and this meant the pastor used hairspray and wore flared pants on occasion).
The young people from the conservative UPC church just outside our town would tell me at school (public high school) how horrible my church and pastor were and would eagerly rattle off all the things their pastor said against my pastor and church.
Of course this all stopped a few years later when their pastor ran off with the young daughter of one of the elders in his church.
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01-08-2012, 10:06 PM
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Re: Do Ministers Really Do This?
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The UPCI does or used to require a letter of transfer from one pastor to the next. Today, most probably just exchange a telehone call, if that. Something about ministerial ethics. I think it is a good idea.
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The Baptists, at least the SBC, still require the letter... but it is never gossipy.. It simply says you are a member in good standing. If you can't get a letter you have to get saved all over again to join the church... Now THAT is probably not a bad idea!
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01-08-2012, 10:13 PM
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Re: Do Ministers Really Do This?
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Well if I were to be perfectly correct I would say that the pastor from our old church hates our current pastor. He lies and says terrible things about him and his church, which is actually pretty conservative...
Our current pastor is hurt and believes that our former pastor is lost and is maybe even angry about how he has been treated... but hate, no- I mis-spoke, I am just almost sure he is incapable of real hate. He is a Christian and a gentle soul with a servants heart.
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Ok. I can understand anger and hurt. It's not the same as hate.
But that does not excuse the other pastor saying untruths about your pastor. (I know you are not saying it does excuse him)
I guess this figures in the same as when a pastor tells another pastor something about a saint that left one church for another. Sometimes it may just be a pastor's point of view, but the way I see it, if the pastor's point of view gets around in the new church and the saint doesn't have a chance to defend himself and tell the "rest of the story", that is almost character assassination. Many in the new church knows one side of the story and the new saint gets a cold shoulder?
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01-08-2012, 10:15 PM
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Re: Do Ministers Really Do This?
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Or is this just a regional thing?
I probably won't get any answers or if I do, it will be a denial. But....
I was told by a local church's board member that when someone leaves one UPC church for another, the Pastor is called from the former Pastor to tell his version of why that person left. Then it is passed on to the board members.
Board members can't keep anything quiet. They tell their wives and the wives tell other church members.
Then when the "new" person starts the new church hoping for a new start, he/she gets the cold shoulder from the people and the new pastor never brings the subject up to discuss it with the new member.
Please tell me it ain't so....!
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I know I've had a upc pastor tell me that if we were going to go to or visit his church and were members of the other upc church he would have to let the pastor of our other upc church know... I've heard it was a rule they had to do this but maybe the reason was just heresay.
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01-08-2012, 10:16 PM
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Re: Do Ministers Really Do This?
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The UPCI does or used to require a letter of transfer from one pastor to the next. Today, most probably just exchange a telehone call, if that. Something about ministerial ethics. I think it is a good idea.
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That's been my experience 
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01-08-2012, 10:18 PM
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Re: Do Ministers Really Do This?
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Kind of nuts huh? Yet I saw it growing up in old time Pentecost. In my case it was one way. I attended the "liberal" UPC church (this was in the mid 70's and this meant the pastor used hairspray and wore flared pants on occasion).
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I remember those days.
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The young people from the conservative UPC church just outside our town would tell me at school (public high school) how horrible my church and pastor were and would eagerly rattle off all the things their pastor said against my pastor and church.
Of course this all stopped a few years later when their pastor ran off with the young daughter of one of the elders in his church.
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01-08-2012, 10:21 PM
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Re: Do Ministers Really Do This?
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Originally Posted by Titus2woman
The Baptists, at least the SBC, still require the letter... but it is never gossipy.. It simply says you are a member in good standing. If you can't get a letter you have to get saved all over again to join the church... Now THAT is probably not a bad idea!
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Moved around a few times. Never had a transfer letter. Phone calls were exchanged. Many bad things could have been said, but I was always given a good report.
I think most pastors would want the saints to have a good start.
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