Common Myths about Gay Christians

[Aquila]

The point is that we subconsciously hate and reject them on such a deep level we can't get beyond arguing over the terminologies they use and get down to the real issues they face and how to minister to them. We're going to have to mature past arguing over the terminologies and address the reality that there are sincere born again believers who struggle with this area and might struggle their entire lives long. We can't demand that they be different or write them off. We can't demand that they silence themselves and their testimonies. We can't squabble over terms used. We can't ignore them. We have to accept that this is a reality for many truly born again people.

[Aquila]

I know I was born straight. I never came to a place where I felt I could choose one road or the other. When people demand that it had to be a "choice" they reveal quite a bit about themselves. lol

I believe it's much more biblical and balanced, also true to factual experiences of those involved, to say that it is part of the sinful nature they were born with.

[The Matt]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The point is that we subconsciously hate and reject them on such a deep level we can't get beyond arguing over the terminologies they use and get down to the real issues they face and how to minister to them. We're going to have to mature past arguing over the terminologies and address the reality that there are sincere born again believers who struggle with this area and might struggle their entire lives long. We can't demand that they be different or write them off. We can't demand that they silence themselves and their testimonies. We can't squabble over terms used. We can't ignore them. We have to accept that this is a reality for many truly born again people.

Beautifully put.

[Aquila]

Like the palsey... physiological or demonic in origin? It can be either.

[Aquila]

I'd rather be judged as being too loving and caring than as being not loving or caring enough. I was taught by my first pastor, "always lean on mercy and you'll NEVER go wrong". He'd tell us if we can find grounds for mercy... stand there no matter what religionists and legalists say. Being compassionate, loving, patient, understanding, and impathetic are godly virtues of the Spirit. Being hard, hateful, vindictive, cold, uncaring, judgmental, legalistic, etc. are all works of the flesh that are hidden behind a veneer of so called "holiness".

[Orthodoxy]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I'll read the last three posts later... on a tight schedule this morning.

But meanwhile, can you give me a link or something of a church, person or ministry that are "Gay Christian" but are really Ex-gay and believe homosexuality is sin and an abomination?

I admit I may be ignorant here, but the Gay Christians groups I am aware of are current homosexual people.

Hoovie,

A growing number of people are (often in certain contexts) identifying themselves as "gay Christians," but are choosing to reject same sex relationships and live a life of abstinence.

For example, Wesley Hill is one who comes to mind. By the way, his book Washed and Waiting is the best book I've read on the struggles of celibate, same-sex attracted Christians.

Also, Ron Belgau is another well-known Christian speaker who sometimes identifies as celibate and gay ("gay" as in honestly referring to his exclusive orientation, not the stereotypical gay lifestyle).

Another is a blogger I know of who grew up in Oneness Pentecostalism and experienced same sex desires since childhood. He is now at seminary preparing to become a church leader. He describes himself as a celibate, gay evangelical Christian. His blog can be found here.

And the list could go on.

Currently, the leadership at Exodus International only uses the term "ex-gay" and does not endorse the label "gay Christian," although the president Alan Chambers recently said that he is still processing through the correct terminology.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by The Matt

Beautifully put.

Thank you.

Bro... I just care about them. They're human beings who need Jesus. They aren't perfect. Neither am I. They fall down and they get up. So do I. I can't just cast a judgment and walk away with my self righteous chest puffed out.

[Aquila]

In my mind if one is celibate for Christ but still has same gender orientation... they are a "gay Christian". They certainly aren't an "ex-gay Christian". It's a no brainer in my opinion. lol

Thus the term "gay Christian" can refer to either of the following:

-One who professes to know Christ and lives a celibate lifestyle though still having same gender attraction.
-One who professes to know Christ and actively lives a gay lifestyle.

Only one of the above "gay Christians" can truly claim to be a "gay Christian" who is born again.

[Cindy]

If you are living with any sin, you cannot walk with a Holy God. No matter what kind of Christian you want to profess to be.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Cindy

If you are living with any sin, you cannot walk with a Holy God. No matter what kind of Christian you want to profess to be.

True. One cannot walk with a Holy God with the slightest sin in their life.

One must walk with a Holy God robed in Christ's righteousness alone.