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Old 02-11-2012, 02:38 PM
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Re: Modern Technology & The Christian Walk

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I read one review at Amazon where one person ordered a Kindle Fire and the box was delivered to their house empty! It was stated right on the box that a Kindle Fire was in there. The thief then proceeded to shop to their hearts content at Amazon as there was no security built in to the Kindle to prevent them from doing so and they had direct access to the unfortunate purchasers account.
The would not have had access to the users account unless the user had activated the one click buying process at Amazon. Otherwise they would have had to have known the users Amazon user id and password to purchase anything.
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Old 02-12-2012, 12:42 AM
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The would not have had access to the users account unless the user had activated the one click buying process at Amazon. Otherwise they would have had to have known the users Amazon user id and password to purchase anything.
Here's the review copied from Amazon and how this can happen.


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FRAUD on the Fire!! Deregister yours before it ships!, November 18, 2011


I am a long-time kindle user. I love my kindle, I read from it every night, faithfully. So when the Fire was announced, I was right on top of pre-ordering it.
Fast forward a few months to this past Wednesday. I was excited - the day was finally here, and when I got a text message from Amazon saying my Fire had been delivered to my front door, I knew I would be rushing to open it when I got home from work.
Home I go, and straight to the lovely box waiting at my door that has 'Kindle Fire' written all over it - only to find that the box was already opened!!!
It was empty - the sad little brown wrapper from what I assume once held the charger or cables staging at me in silence. The box itself was all put back together - the quasi-origami design of the packaging made it impossible to tell it had already been opened until you got up close for a good look. But there was absolutely nothing inside - not even an invoice.
After picking my jaw (and heart) up off the floor, I immediately called Amazon. To their credit, the customer service lady was incredibly nice, efficient and sincere. She offered to ship out a replacement immediately. I was sad at what happened, and at having to wait longer, but it was resolved, at least. Or so I thought....
The next morning, I casually checked my email, and was stunned to find 21 separate emails from Amazon thanking me for my order. (Plus one from my bank, warning me of unusual activity on my card.) Amazon was thanking me for ordering almost $300 worth of mp3s from my brand new kindle fire!!!
So, obviously I didn't order the music, the low-life scum who stole my fire did.
So, 3 days of hell, 2 calls to my bank, 1 in-person visit to my bank, 1 call to Amazon, 2 chat sessions with Amazon later, and at least one more call to the bank to go (because no, they can't do a darn thing about the charges until they finish posting to your account, authorized doesn't count) - I ask this question which every kindle owner should ask:

HOW DID THIS HAPPEN??

It happened because:
a) The fire is shipped in a box that advertised on the outside of the box exactly what it is. "Hello, you, thief, please come steal me!"

b) Although mine was shipped UPS 2nd day (yes, I am a Prime member also), no signature was required. I also kow other people who ordered fires, and they were shipped via smartpost (USPS). Shouldn't something worth $200 at least require a signature?

c) The fire was shipped pre-registered (already connected) to my account. This means that the thief did not have to have any of my personal information. He did not need to hack something or register anything - all he had to do was click 'buy' and my account was charged. Did I ask Amazon to pre-register my fire or connect it to my account when I purchased it? I most certainly did not. Amazon sees fit to do this all on their own, without warning or option, unless you specifically say you are buying it as a gift. So for anyone out there still waiting for their fire or kindle to be delivered, I strongly suggest you go de-register it until you physically have it in your hands. (It only takes a minute to register it again.)

d) And this is the really big one that doesn't stop with delivery issues:

WHY IS NO PASSWORD REQUIRED TO MAKE PURCHASES FROM YOUR KINDLE??

Just think for a minute. Every purchase you make with your kindle or fire is charged to your default card. There's no password, no sign-in, nothing. So anyone who physically has a hold of your device has a direct line to your credit card. Remember this if you lose it or it gets stolen, and you might want to be extra careful who you loan it to.
Really, Amazon - how hard is it to make a password requirement for purchases?
I was thinking of giving my fire to my daughter. The fact that she could purchase anything she wants without a password (and therefore without any oversight) is making me think again.

I return to the fact that I love my kindle. I really do. But this experience has opened my eyes to what is a HUGE security risk with these devices.
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Old 02-12-2012, 07:39 AM
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Pilgrum, yup. Since he was already a "long time kindle user" I am sure he had his account activated for the one click buying and his new kindle automatically synced to that account when turned on.

Amazon could still preload but have at startup a one time entry required of a persons Amazon username and password to start the kindle activation process. Hopefully they will do that.

My Kindle Fire experience was that I preordered it the day it was availbe for pre order. I waited excitedly and then when it came it turned on, I plugged it into the charge to charge the battery, when I came back it was bricked!

Amazon customer service was amazing though and after working through a few checks to make sure it would not reset they sent me a new one ASAP that has worked perfectly. I love my Kindle Fire. I use it mostly for reading books but also have apps for newspapers, news networks, yahoo mail, FB and of course games that I don't play much but are there for my wife. I do like the free pinball app though. It is amazingly realistic.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.

"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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