Women Bishop

[trialedbyfire]

I don't personally agree with it. But the P.A.W. has no official stance against the ordination of women Bishops and currently has a few ordained Suffragan Bishops, including one in New York, Bishop Eulah Nelson. I believe the organization is open to ordaining women Diocesan Bishops.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Maybe it's this bit-o-scripture concerning the gender of bishops....

1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Of course same sex marriages could possibly be a workaround in this instance with two women in a marriage with one the 'husband' and the other the 'wife'. I guess then that a bishop could be a female and the 'husband' of one 'wife'.

Completely lame.

Get a better bible translation for starters.

This argument is laughable considering how much of the Apostolic movement was built on the works of women preachers. Every Oneness org. still ordains women. God has moved mightily in churches pastored by women and great preachers (men) were raised up from those churches.

Explain that...

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Completely lame.

Get a better bible translation for starters.

This argument is laughable considering how much of the Apostolic movement was built on the works of women preachers. Every Oneness org. still ordains women. God has moved mightily in churches pastored by women and great preachers (men) were raised up from those churches.

Explain that...

COOLJC (Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ) does not. I believe they ordain women missionaries, but not Missionaries in the actual sense that they do "missionary" work, they basically sit in the front of the church with big church hats and lead prayer. Women are not aloud to preach or teach from my understanding and must wear headcoverings. In some churches they can't even stand on the pulpit to do announcements or sing (which I think is stupid and a tradition coming from the old school COGIC churches).

I am fine with women preaching and teaching. I perfer that men pastor churches however. Generally speaking I believe the scripture supports that role being male-oriented. If there is a lack of willing or able-bodied men I understand, I just personally believe the scriptures suggest that the role of a pastor in the church is similar to the role of the father in the home. Just as I perfer there to be a man in a home raising children, but understand there are certain circumstances where women have to raise their children single. I don't believe this to be desirable though. I'm careful not to say that women can't pastor, I just perfer that role be reserved for men when possible (and also perferably men with one wife and children having their home in order as the scripture teaches).

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Completely lame.

Get a better bible translation for starters.

This argument is laughable considering how much of the Apostolic movement was built on the works of women preachers. Every Oneness org. still ordains women. God has moved mightily in churches pastored by women and great preachers (men) were raised up from those churches.

Explain that...

God is graceful? Even moves under pastor living in sin. Amazing.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

COOLJC (Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ) does not. I believe they ordain women missionaries, but not Missionaries in the actual sense that they do "missionary" work, they basically sit in the front of the church with big church hats and lead prayer. Women are not aloud to preach or teach from my understanding and must wear headcoverings. In some churches they can't even stand on the pulpit to do announcements or sing (which I think is stupid and a tradition coming from the old school COGIC churches).

I am fine with women preaching and teaching. I perfer that men pastor churches however. Generally speaking I believe the scripture supports that role being male-oriented. If there is a lack of willing or able-bodied men I understand, I just personally believe the scriptures suggest that the role of a pastor in the church is similar to the role of the father in the home. Just as I perfer there to be a man in a home raising children, but understand there are certain circumstances where women have to raise their children single. I don't believe this to be desirable though. I'm careful not to say that women can't pastor, I just perfer that role be reserved for men when possible (and also perferably men with one wife and children having their home in order as the scripture teaches).

1 Tim 3
1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

I believe the emboldened supports the idea that the role of a church overseer should be male. Apparently, one that has a family is what Paul is SUGGESTING because having experience in leading his home would aid him in leading the church.

But we also know that women CAN and DO prophesy
1 Cor 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

So would prophesying NOT include teaching in the assembly of believers?

[Jay]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

COOLJC (Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ) does not. I believe they ordain women missionaries, but not Missionaries in the actual sense that they do "missionary" work, they basically sit in the front of the church with big church hats and lead prayer. Women are not aloud to preach or teach from my understanding and must wear headcoverings. In some churches they can't even stand on the pulpit to do announcements or sing (which I think is stupid and a tradition coming from the old school COGIC churches).

I am fine with women preaching and teaching. I perfer that men pastor churches however. Generally speaking I believe the scripture supports that role being male-oriented. If there is a lack of willing or able-bodied men I understand, I just personally believe the scriptures suggest that the role of a pastor in the church is similar to the role of the father in the home. Just as I prefer there to be a man in a home raising children, but understand there are certain circumstances where women have to raise their children single. I don't believe this to be desirable though. I'm careful not to say that women can't pastor, I just prefer that role be reserved for men when possible (and also preferably men with one wife and children having their home in order as the scripture teaches).

I have listened to some women preachers, and they were excellent. Their styles and methods were different than those of men, but they were as anointed. I just wish that more people would acknowledge that women who are called are as called as men. (In the WPF, we are fully accepting of women preachers.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Jay

I have listened to some women preachers, and they were excellent. Their styles and methods were different than those of men, but they were as anointed. I just wish that more people would acknowledge that women who are called are as called as men. (In the WPF, we are fully accepting of women preachers.

Do they accept women bishops/pastors?

[houston]

Men preach in their air conditioned churches and condemn women preachers to hell.

Some men make exceptions for the likes of Janice Alvear who as a young girl answered the call to leave the comforts of her homeland for Brazil, to preach the gospel to witches, idol worshipers, and indiginous people.

It's all fine. We call them missionaries, an office that is not named with the 4 fold ministry. Let's dismiss the fact that they are ministering in the spirit of the Apostles.

Mãe Alvear, thank you for answering the call that many men refuse!

[AreYouReady?]

I second that.

[Titus2woman]

I always think of Oma Ellis when I hear a Pentecostal man rale against women preachers. She was a church planter for decades where there were no Oneness churches. When God raised up a man to pastor that church she knew her work was done and would quietly move on, never attempting to keep for herself what was the Lord's.

I love the idea of men as pastors. I agree completely with truthseeker in seeing the role being best suited to a man and I love the way it was expressed in that post. But a family can also be headed by a good woman and so can a church when God is in it. Given the choice of a strong anointed woman or a weak carnal man, I'll take the girl

I did not have any girls but my granddaughters will be raised knowing there is nothing they can not do for the Lord with His mighty hand on their lives, including preach.