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Old 02-17-2012, 08:52 AM
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Re: A Different Spin on the Obama Health Care Issu

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But, some issues are absolutes to those in certain groups. For instance, abortion. You talked about siding with the "war on religion" IF the government starts mandating what a church is preaching. Well, it is, IMO, by forcing the contraception/abortion service into their healthcare policy. They are, in effect, saying, "You have to start preaching women's rights and you can't preach against abortion." The subtlety is alarming and strong armed.

How can a Catholic Church preach against abortion when it provides the service? That is interfering with the pulpit, IMO. That was the first thing I noticed with this issue. It is trying to force an agenda and trying to make the religion seem biased, hypocritical and oppressive. Yet, they think it's grand to murder a child for whatever reason - it's a woman's choice. It is a war on Christianity and growing.

David Horowitz was talking about how the Administration and others are supporting the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood for the very fact that it would still the voice of the Christians. They hate Christians and want them dead. It reminds me of the scripture - "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil." John 3:19

Starting with the Catholic Church and the Inquisition, no let's start with David committing murder and adultery, no let's start with Adam and Eve....... In other words, we haven't helped our cause. So funny that people's hearts still yearn for God when Christians haven't always come across as the most genuine of peoples. And, like the snake handlers, looking like freaks. I hate when the mirror is turned on myself and I look and feel like a hypocrite and a jerk. I fall on my knees..... as Jaci Velasquez would sing.

Addressing the fringe groups - it is going to be an ongoing and drawn out process. Let's look at something that does make sense. An old case of the Muslim husband who murdered his wife. Under Sharia Law that is okay, but he was in America, under our laws, and that is murder. He was picked up and jailed. That, at least, took care of how to handle one issue.

I don't know how to work out the blood transfusion and other medical choices. My family and many friends don't adhere to the mandated vaccines in our state. We choose to opt out. That is taking a huge responsibility for the welfare of our children. Having studied the issue at length, that does not frighten us. Others that haven't looked very far into the issue are alarmed, angry and frightened by our choice. I can't work that out for anyone save my own family. So, I don't really have an answer.

My daughter was going to have a baby via a mid-wife and had complications. She was hospitalized. To us, we seek out medical help when it is necessary. It isn't something we shun, but we don't take medication every time we are sick. When my children had a headache, I would always say, "Drink a glass of water every 15 minutes for an hour." Why take an aspirin when water helps so many things. Water and salt and Tea Tree Oil - natural wonders. LOL! When my allergies are bothering me, twice a year, I drink a hot toddy at night - 2 ounces of a good grade of Brandy, lemon, honey, and an herbal tea mix. Why take Nyquil (yuck) when I can drink something natural? I sleep well and it doesn't make me feel icky like Nyquil or any other man-made concoction. We were talking about the various medical/health commercials on television. My husband said, "I miss old Smiling Bob." LOL!

Some people, like the JW, take scripture out of context and look very foolish. Almost everyone has religious ideas that look foolish to onlookers. Looking back, I thought it was foolish, while a Catholic, to pay a quarter to light a candle in order for a prayer to go up to heaven. I did enjoy, as a child, hearing the money clink in the slot and seeing the fire take hold of the wick at my own hand! It was the only time I got to play with matches - in church - dark and eery lighting in the building.! Wow! Loved that spooky stuff! LOL!

Anyway, the S 1467 is supposed to cover Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etc., beliefs. We will see how it plays out and if some of the wording is tweaked. I know Blunt introduced the bill in August '11, and it was pushed aside. It was up for vote yesterday. I haven't heard any reports on it. They did say that if this bill reaches Obama's desk only to receive his veto, he could be signing away any chance for re-election.
This is great conversation, you make some very good points!

I understand what you mean about certain things being absolutes among certain groups, I completely agree with that. My point is that those things may not be absolutes in a government mandated blanket policy. That's where the tricky part will come in.

Great example about the Muslim man, that's where the fringe group example is most pronounced.

And, I agree with you about the snake handling, I think it's ridiculous, but there are a few thousand people in the US who would consider this an "absolute", and to them, the law that prohibits their freedom of "worship" is a violation of their civil liberties.

I also understand the dilemma with the abortion issue, but as of now, no one is prohibiting the church from preaching against abortion - the mandate only seeks to ensure that a government funded organization, Catholic or not, provides that option. I also agree that it's a slippery slope, and it's hard to completely separate the two issues. But, for now, at least, they are separate.....converging? Yes.

I also really like the way you think about medication. I've held the belief for quite some time that we are a tremendously overmedicated society, and in many cases, if not most, the cure is worse than the disease! Smiling Bob notwithstanding!

But, to treat yourself naturally is a fantastic thing, and hopefully, we can get back to it. I also like your "hot toddy" recipe, I'll have to give that a whirl, since this mild winter has exacerbated my sinus and allergy issues!
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