Obama Care Pricetag

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I agree with you. But the article doesn't really mention that. I would have thoguht that Fox would have hammered on that. They are afterall very conservative.

Maybe they are afraid to make their boy, Mitt, look bad and decided to play it down. After all, he has the same mandated healthcare as Obama. It's just on the state level, but that's okay. lol

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Maybe they are afraid to make their boy, Mitt, look bad and decided to play it down. After all, he has the same mandated healthcare as Obama. It's just on the state level, but that's okay. lol

Having been a part of the state level health care before I think it was pretty good. I would rather pay for my own, which I do now, but the state version is and will continue to be the much better option over the federal Obamacare.

[Dordrecht]

Socialism is wrong.


Reading about US History I stumbled on this quote:

"You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.
You cannot further the brotherhood of men by encouraging class hatred.
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence.
You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves."

- Abraham Lincoln

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by scotty

If only......

If only that was an option on the ballot.

I truly believe this year that "none of the above" would win the presidency.

i am officially changing my name now to None of-the Above. Will take over the presidency and FIX THE WORLD.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

i am officially changing my name now to None of-the Above. Will take over the presidency and FIX THE WORLD.

Well, finally.

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Socialism is wrong.


Reading about US History I stumbled on this quote:

"You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.
You cannot further the brotherhood of men by encouraging class hatred.
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away man's initiative and independence.
You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves."

- Abraham Lincoln

From everything I can find this was not said or written by Abraham Lincoln. It is believed to have been written about 50 yrs after Lincoln died. It is believed to be the works of a Rev William John Henry Boetcker who was a Presbyterian minister.

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by Cindy

Well, finally.

well I know I got at least that one vote. You shall be my Vice President.

[CC1]

As someone who comes from a family with not a lot of money and serious medical issues at times I would be the first in line for socialized medicine if I thought it would actually work.

The only countries where it kind of works are ones that are very homogeneous (think Canada, and even there they are having trouble paying for it).

Oh, and if anybody thinks for one minute that the goal is not to eventually force a one payer system you don't know Democrats! It is pretty easy to find the "off the record" remarks of liberals who during the time Obamacare was being pushed saying that this is only the first step. They will make it so onerous for insurance companies to comply and make any money that the government taking them over will just be a natural next step.

It is ironic that just as Europe is discovering you can't pay for all of these big government social programs America is running right toward them.

[Aquila]

Yes, they want a single payer system.

This problem is complicated. Because part of what is inflating the price of health care is the uninsured still getting care and not paying for it. I know a lady who's been in and out of the hospital for various reasons this past year and she's not paid a single bill. She says, "What will they do? Come after me? I don't have the money." Guess what... providers have to eat that cost. And it drives the prices up.

The problem as I see it as that we do not deny care to those who cannot pay. That means that the extra cost will either be handed down to those with insurance by market forces or the government will take control and force as many as possible to pay into a system that drives the prices down... only to discover that now the cost is increasing because everyone is going in for health care more often.

Imagine if automobile companies just started giving away cars for free and had to eat that cost. That would drive up the cost of cars for everyone. The government comes in and makes everyone pay something for a car. So now EVERYONE is lining up to get a car and there is exponentially more demand... meaning we have to pay far far more in taxes to the government to insure that everyone gets a care.

The issue is... we're giving someone away for free. While I know it sounds cruel, and I don't advocate this, but the fact is.... prices can't stabilize until people without insurance or the money to pay on the spot for tests, exams, and proceedures are turned away at the door. But that would include me. lol

[scotty]

I would almost agree with you Chris, but I believe the larger part of it is the cost. The medical/pharmacutical industry is highly inflated. When prescription meds sell for $100 bottle, yet through the insurance company I pay $10, what is the insurance company paying ? Bet its not the $100. So then why can't we purchase the meds for the same price the insurance company is getting them ?

I have seen enough doctor bills to know that the health care industry is more greedy than the oil industry ever thought of being. The price of healthcare is stupidly inflated.