Myles Munroe

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Originally Posted by Dalton

John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

I may be reading it wrong but are you referring to earth as the kingdom now, or are you stating that the kingdom lives within christians?

Because if it is the latter, I can kind of see what he is saying but if it is the former, thats the farthest from the truth.

Hmm; "the earth" is a domain; our reward. "The world" currently runs the earth, and "the Kingdom" is right beside, and will overcome the world; are my def's there.

Originally Posted by Dalton

Why else would Jesus have said in Matthew 12:26
"And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?"

I believe that the works of the kingdom of heaven are performed through us by what god gives us but as far as the kingdom being here? If it is... then that really doesn't give us anything to look forward to does it?

But more importantly, what does that really have to do with salvation? Shouldn't matter since he is going to destroy both of them anyway at the end.

2 peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Because both being tainted with sin, and he will not allow it in the new kingdom.

Well, but all this is "tomorrow, someday, what will be," and is not being addressed here. "The kingdom among you," now, is what is. being addressed.

Originally Posted by Dalton

Also, isn't this myles munroe guy the same guy who said god needs our permission to do work in the earth? Like even though god can do anything, he can only do it if you permit him to or something like that. Sounded heavily blasphemous. I understand that we are to judge and are made one with him but thats taking it a little far... or then again I may be way off again and thinking about someone else entirely... to whom I must say this..

"And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?"

Yes, he does say that, but does not refute that Scripture--I have heard him say this directly. Surely you are familiar with the doctrine of free will, and the power of the tongue, and prayer in Christ's name, etc., that does not negate or refute this verse, but rather develop a corollary, if you will.

Might be best rephrased "You can't stop God from doing what He will, even on earth; you also can't make God do anything here on earth--but you are responsible for earth, and the prayers of the righteous avail much. "If it be Your will" is further acknowledgement there. Doesn't mean we don't pray to God for anything, because He does whatever He wants, correct?

Originally Posted by Dalton

And as far as the kingdom is now thing... thats a lot to discern from one verse.

I'm really not familiar with "kiingdom now," but I know that this is a diff concept than Munroe's. His = yours. That kingdom that has no earthly head, that one may or may not have joined in yet, depending on your next decision.

Originally Posted by Dalton

(I just hate how he says its illegal for God in the benny hinn this is your day stuff. God could do it if he wanted to but he is a god of his own word and the only reason he didn't do those things he was saying he couldn't was because he was bound by his word. Not by man. We don't have any authority over him. It's just the choices we make in accordance to his will that he chooses to work with us.. I mean he could easily have us all destroyed in a second so it just seems too proud to me to be throwing words like illegal for god around like that cause im like... by whose authority?)

Hmm, well, I'd say that this concept is what is being acknowledged, above, by Munroe; as much as I hate to align him with Hinn. God has made promises that He will not break, and believers have the power to request God's intervention in areas that God would not otherwise interfere in, as that would be interference in free will, and a look around at the state of things confirms that God has not intervened, in things that you surely think He should intervene in? Not His job, and does not fit with His will, apparently.

Our job. To overcome. Not violently, but by coming together and refusing to stand for it, whatever "it" may be. Rapturists self-excluded, of course. Some redefine it "the march of human progress," I don't know. We are informed that we are going to fail miserably, if I read the Revelation right, until we consciously bring things to a head--satan would never do this, it would be fighting himself. All satan is worried about is Believers waking up to truth, and bringing things to a head, eliminating his "slow drip."