Personal conviction inlight of pastoral authority - Page 2

Broseanrichard · #11 04-09-2012, 05:33 PM

Example pastor x says short sleeves are ok but saint y feels long sleeves are better or pastor x says you can control tv but saint y feels not to even own one. Just examples here dont need a debate on holiness to start

TGBTG · #12 04-09-2012, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Broseanrichard

Example pastor x says short sleeves are ok but saint y feels long sleeves are better or pastor x says you can control tv but saint y feels not to even own one. Just examples here dont need a debate on holiness to start

oh i see...definitely, if a person wants to do that, sure...as long as they're not imposing those convictions on others in the church.

Broseanrichard · #13 04-09-2012, 06:20 PM

Ok thanks

AreYouReady? · #14 04-09-2012, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

oh i see...definitely, if a person wants to do that, sure...as long as they're not imposing those convictions on others in the church.

Austin · #15 04-10-2012, 06:13 AM

The pastoral position has always been a difficult one due to the many secular opinions and ideas that come down the road of life.
My pastor once told me when I spoke to him about the call of God on my life, he said, "If you ever feel the call to pastor a church, then go out and get your own sheep and start one." I asked him why? He said, " that way they won't get a belly ace when you feed them, if you have someones elses they will complain all the time."

This is why so many churches have such strong doctrines within the structure of their church organization. Even though in some cases they many vary a little from those doctrines they still will vocally claim and maintain them if questioned.

A man should follow Jesus, but he should make very sure that he is on the right path and not some personal path.
If a person has been brought up in another church setting and has had some experiences in the Lord that are different and sets out to find others that are similar in belief and experience then that person will have problems as they go to various churches.

The best policies is to be with people who you are basically in agreement with and persons whom you know are real and you enjoy their fellowship. The rest of your inner personal beliefs may be shared, but I would not try to impose them on the entire church body, unless you want to meet with rejection.

The more intelligent you become in the word the more you will meet with adversity.

The Lemon · #16 04-10-2012, 07:06 AM

Interesting thread...l remember going to a karate seminar and the teacher was a 9th degree black belt and made a profound yet simple statement. He explained that there will ALWAYS be somebody faster and stronger then you, no matter how hard you train.

What does that have to do with this? Simple, there will always be those both on the pew and perhaps the pulpit who hold either a more strict stance on something (or many things), and conversely there will be those who are more liberal in a given area(s).

The bottom line is walk it out and work it out for you, it is YOUR relationshiop with God and YOUR responsibility. All to often folks want black and white answers for everything and a checklist to be sure they line up...oftentimes, however, this same checklist is used to measure everybody else by, weather it be a fellow saint or leadership.

In my opinion when convictions become a means whereby we judge the spirituality of anybody we then show how immature we are and truly that we are in fact not spiritual at all. If you stay in the Word and communicate with Jesus He will not leave you in the dark concerning your life and purpose in Him - weather it is ministry, church, family, ect.

Falla39 · #17 04-10-2012, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by the lemon

interesting thread...l remember going to a karate seminar and the teacher was a 9th degree black belt and made a profound yet simple statement. He explained that there will always be somebody faster and stronger then you, no matter how hard you train.

What does that have to do with this? Simple, there will always be those both on the pew and perhaps the pulpit who hold either a more strict stance on something (or many things), and conversely there will be those who are more liberal in a given area(s).

The bottom line is walk it out and work it out for you, it is your relationshiop with god and your responsibility. All to often folks want black and white answers for everything and a checklist to be sure they line up...oftentimes, however, this same checklist is used to measure everybody else by, weather it be a fellow saint or leadership.

In my opinion when convictions become a means whereby we judge the spirituality of anybody we then show how immature we are and truly that we are in fact not spiritual at all. if you stay in the word and communicate with jesus he will not leave you in the dark concerning your life and purpose in him - weather it is ministry, church, family, ect.

Profound statement!

Godsdrummer · #18 05-06-2012, 08:58 AM

Ah the question arises as to what is the authority of the pastor. Along with that is where in scripture are the outline for or description of what a Pastor is. I say this is a very good question, that should raise a red flag in the minds of everyone. If there is not a scritural description of a Pastor then why do we have them? For that matter we only have one place in NT where the word Pastor is used in Ephesians 4 and that word is acctualy from the greek word that means Shephard. And by definition on a shephard of that day they were not figures a authority, rather they had the relationship of a owner of a pet rather than a position of authority. They led the sheep to pastures, and clear water, they bound wounds, they stood between the sheep and the wolf, they went out and found the lost lamb. They did not drive the sheep, they did not set fences around the sheep to keep them in rather they got out in front of the sheep and led them.

Paul teaches us in Ephessians 4 that those given to the body of Christ as gifts were set to equip the rest for their own ministry, to edify the body of Christ, Till we ALL come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Notice it say till we all come, that does not mean that some stay saints and some stay elders or leaders, it says till we ALL become into the place God meant for each and every one of us.