Snake Handling Easter Service in WSJ - Page 6

tv1a · #51 04-10-2012, 09:20 PM

If you take one part of the scripture literally, you have to take the entire passage literally. Many people are quick to try to legitimize their prejudices without thinking of the implications behind their rationale. What you are suggesting is the Bible doesn't mean what it says, and people who do believe what the Bible says are part of the lunatic fringe. Don't you think the world has had enough of impotent christianity?

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Nice. So not only can we speak in tongues and lay hands and heal at will, we can also drink poison and handle snakes at will?

Hoovie · #52 04-10-2012, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

If you take one part of the scripture literally, you have to take the entire passage literally. Many people are quick to try to legitimize their prejudices without thinking of the implications behind their rationale. What you are suggesting is the Bible doesn't mean what it says, and people who do believe what the Bible says are part of the lunatic fringe. Don't you think the world has had enough of impotent christianity?

I certainly agree on the impotent Christianity.

I am saying these things all literally happened. The scripture is fulfilled.

Whether it re-occurs in part or in whole or not at all has not bearing on it's fulfillment.

tv1a · #53 04-10-2012, 09:36 PM

I didn't realize there was an expiration date on Mark 16. I failed to notice it's a ........ shoot now. Elders laying hands on sick and people recover not relevant now? When elders anoint with oil not only are people healed, but their sins are forgiven also. New wrinkle or does that apply today?

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I certainly agree on the impotent Christianity.

I am saying these things all literally happened. The scripture is fulfilled.

Whether it re-occurs in part or in whole or not at all has not bearing on it's fulfillment.

Hoovie · #54 04-10-2012, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

I didn't realize there was an expiration date on Mark 16. I failed to notice it's a ........ shoot now. Elders laying hands on sick and people recover not relevant now? When elders anoint with oil not only are people healed, but their sins are forgiven also. New wrinkle or does that apply today?

I did not say healing does not occur today, just that this scripture was fulfilled. Further, I reject the idea that it was ever a litmus test for all believers individually - both in the early church or now.

Austin · #55 04-11-2012, 05:45 AM

I'm interested in taking out an insurance policy on some of the people who practice this believers manifestation of faith. Anyone interested? I only want twenty five percent of the pay out, I'll donate the rest to any need that the insured wants it to go to..

Bro. Robbins · #56 04-11-2012, 08:01 AM

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I'm interested in taking out an insurance policy on some of the people who practice this believers manifestation of faith. Anyone interested? I only want twenty five percent of the pay out, I'll donate the rest to any need that the insured wants it to go to..

Actually the bite rate is high, but death rate is very low in these movements historically. Most of the pastors who have been in the movement for a long time, have the narled hands and arms to show the scares of the many bites they've had... and almost none of them receive medical attention.

KeptByTheWord · #57 04-11-2012, 08:44 AM

It is one thing to be just bitten by a snake like Paul was (which was likely what Mark was referring to, as he was there when it happened).

But it is another thing entirely when these snakes are worshipped, instead of the Lord Jesus, and where in holding and playing with a snake brings an annointing. There is NO mention of that anywhere in the Bible. Playing with a snake will bring the power of the Holy Ghost upon you? It just cannot be found.

However, if something deadly should bite you, the Holy Ghost is able to protect and keep you. But when you begin to believe that the Holy Ghost is coming upon you because you have touched a deadly animal, that turns into IDOLATRY and that is why snake handling is a tool of Satan himself.

Don't you know that Satan is a part of every church service! He is there because he is a deceiver, and if he can decieve someone into believing that they are saved, he has accomplished a great lot. Satan has deceived these people into believing that there is Holy Ghost power in handling snakes. These people are feeling something, there is a power, and there is a spirit there. There is no doubt in my mind at all.

But there are a lot of powers, and a lot of spirits at work in this world, and most of them are NOT the spirit of God.

So, what they are feeling cannot be the Spirit of God. Because God will not share his glory with another! If you believe a snake is bringing you a spirit of annointing, that annointing is not from God. It is from another, SATANIC power.

That is my opinion on the matter.

berkeley · #58 04-11-2012, 10:29 AM

Satan is now omnipresent??

I wouldn't go as far as to call it idolatry, and I do not believe in the HMS doctrine. (holy magic snake)

Bro. Robbins · #59 04-11-2012, 10:33 AM

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Satan is now omnipresent??

I wouldn't go as far as to call it idolatry, and I do not believe in the HMS doctrine. (holy magic snake)

I had that same response about Satan being in the services, like you did. You beat me to the punch. I know some of these people, I wouldn't call it idolatry either in a general broad brush statement. I think they are in errror, and mistaken, but I know they arent' worshipping the snakes. Now, do some get carried away and have the potential it could be idolatry, yep... just like many other things people get carried away with in church could be idolatry....

Michael Phelps · #60 04-11-2012, 10:36 AM

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Actually the bite rate is high, but death rate is very low in these movements historically. Most of the pastors who have been in the movement for a long time, have the narled hands and arms to show the scares of the many bites they've had... and almost none of them receive medical attention.

I hate to sound like a cynic, but there is no magical power in being bitten and not dying.

Check out this guy's story....

http://www.brownwoodnews.com/index.p...life&Itemid=59

Jackie Bibby is a Texas snake wrangler, who has been bitten 9 times, leaving his hands and arms scarred..........