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[jfrog]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

I can tell that you are ignorant of medical conditions. So...let's move on to the next question.



I am assuming you are a man and husband. But even if you are not married at the moment, here is something to think about. Would you let your wife die in a medical emergency during pregnancy and possibly your child too should she be so very unfortunate to develop one of these illnesses during pregnancy?

I pray that never happens to you or your family.

Since I don't claim abortion is murder then my response to that question really isn't going to show anything but if you still want it here it is, I would support her in her decision but I would desire for the abortion if it was the only safe solution for her.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Strange you would ask jfrog this. I was of the opinion jfrog was not personally opposed to abortion...

I thought the same thing Hoovie... lol

[jfrog]

I think this analogy sums up my position a little better.

Killing a tadpole is not the same thing as killing a frog even though killing either has the same overall result.

Killing a fetus is not the same thing as killing a born child even though killing either has the same overall result.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Let me begin by saying that I dislike abortions. Let me sum up my position by saying that abortion is not murder. However I do think that the closer an "unborn child" is to being birthed the more morally repugnant abortion becomes, if done within the last month of pregnancy then I would definetely feel that abortion is nearing murder. Therefore, I am for a limited time frame for when abortions can be performed.

Am I for abortion on demand even if done in the first few months? I don't think anyone finds the practice of abortion pleasing so in that sense I am not for it. Am I for it because I refuse to see it as murder? no not really. I am quite against it. However, because I don't view it as murder then I can morally and unhypocritically find allowances for abortion by rape victims and any other exception not covered in self defense scenarios.

However, I understand that if abortions for rape victims are allowed then any girl can lie and claim to have been raped in order to receive an abortion. Therefore the solution is to either just allow them for everyone or allow them for no one...

So due to the impossibility of determining whether a girl has been raped or not I feel abortions must be allowed because I find it more morally repugnant to force such a person to carry the rapists baby to term than I do for a woman having an abortion within say the first three months.

Why do you find it more disturbing later in gestation?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Why do you find it more disturbing later in gestation?

Dunno just do. It might have something to do with the "unborn child" becoming more human with every passing second...

[Hoovie]

Yeah, and it is harder to kill something that does not only look like a human, but also has your own features and mannerisms. 20 plus weeks - halfway through the pregnancy.

[Titus2woman]

Just a new theory for me... I've heard life at conception and I've heard life equated with breath (partially from the Bible) but never 'becoming progressively more human'. Interesting...

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Stop talking down to me.

You started it brother.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Strange you would ask jfrog this. I was of the opinion jfrog was not personally opposed to abortion...

I know nothing about the frog's opinions except what he chooses to reveal. He apparently revealed this before this thread or I just did not see his views about it before. He sees things through the eyes of someone who has not seen some of the horrible things that have happened to pregnant women. I see things through the eyes of someone who watched women nearly die or have died.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I think that working in medicine has made both of us realists AYR... We may express what we believe a little differently but we both know that a happy, normal event like a pregnancy can become a serious life threatening emergency in the blink of an eye. These are not situations that most people have ever prepared for and decisions must be urgently made with no time for consideration. Most folks are going to go with the doctors recommendation no matter their convictions on a higher spiritual level... we are still weak fleshly humans and God knows it. As a side note 90% of JWs take blood when it becomes life or death

Yeah. One thing I can say is that it is not easy to watch a young woman swell up and bleed from every pore in her body during pregnancy or postpartum. Or to watch a pregnant woman have a stroke or seizures from eclampsia.