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Old 05-16-2007, 11:02 AM
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Yeah, I'm a looney. Ron Paul is the hope of America in this time of crisis where fascism and a near police state are being hatched. Think not? Why, then do we need a "war czar"? Why then is the COMMANDER IN CHIEF (otherwise known as the president -- synonymous with "war czar") pondering the position? Our constitutional rights, which aren't necessarily God-Given, are being stripped away in the name of fear and patriotism. The founding fathers are fanning the flames of the nether regions because of the amount of spinning they are doing in their graves.

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Old 05-16-2007, 11:10 AM
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Ron Paul is a non-interventionist and so am I. It is people who react to such notions with their emotions instead of their brains that stupidly confuse the two.
Totally agreed.

I am also a non-interventionist (in case you didn't get that from the post you replied to)
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Old 05-16-2007, 11:14 AM
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Why do you think he's a borderline loon? Is it because of his belief in bringing the country back into line with the Constitution? Is it because of his non-interventionist foreign policy that used to be the commonly held view of Republicans?
Exactly...

People are being called loons for holding true to what has, historically, been the Republican line.
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Old 05-16-2007, 11:54 AM
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No but they did cite the founding fathers as the authority for their own non-interventionist policy.

And what were the circumstances behind it? Was it not that the Barbary states (these were defacto nations) had been attacking American shipping and trying to extort money from the United States just as it had previously been doing to France and England before those nations reached an agreement with the Barbary states?

So, let's see if I understand your argument: America engages in interventionist policies since the 1950s that anger various Islamic factions throughout the Middle East. Some of these factions retaliate in various ways, not the least of which is 9/11. Therefore, the United States has a national security interest in retaliating against their retaliation?
well, you are close enough for me. When America has a national interest, then America should act. period.
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Old 05-16-2007, 11:55 AM
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Yeah, I'm a looney. Ron Paul is the hope of America in this time of crisis where fascism and a near police state are being hatched. Think not? Why, then do we need a "war czar"? Why then is the COMMANDER IN CHIEF (otherwise known as the president -- synonymous with "war czar") pondering the position? Our constitutional rights, which aren't necessarily God-Given, are being stripped away in the name of fear and patriotism. The founding fathers are fanning the flames of the nether regions because of the amount of spinning they are doing in their graves.

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proof that ron paul is a loon. I take back the boarderline comment. he is full blown.
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Old 05-16-2007, 11:58 AM
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well, you are close enough for me. When America has a national interest, then America should act. period.
No matter what the Constitution says?

The United States Of America does not exist outside the Constitution.

How do you act outside of your creator without being in transgression against said creator?
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Old 05-16-2007, 12:17 PM
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well, you are close enough for me. When America has a national interest, then America should act. period.
The founding fathers believed that America's national interest was to butt out of the affairs of other nations! You really aren't getting it: American interventionist policies were what resulted in 9/11 and other terrorist attacks on America.
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Old 05-16-2007, 12:29 PM
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The founding fathers believed that America's national interest was to butt out of the affairs of other nations! You really aren't getting it: American interventionist policies were what resulted in 9/11 and other terrorist attacks on America.
Exactly...
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Old 05-16-2007, 12:30 PM
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No matter what the Constitution says?

The United States Of America does not exist outside the Constitution.

How do you act outside of your creator without being in transgression against said creator?
The Constitution didn't create this nation, God did.
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Old 05-16-2007, 12:31 PM
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The Constitution didn't create this nation, God did.
God created all of the other nations, too.
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