Fact About The End Time Remnant

[Truthseeker]

I like to MTD explain how all them sinners are outside the cityM

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I like to MTD explain how all them sinners are outside the cityM

What scripture are you referring to?

[Michael The Disciple]

So many act as if Gods word all boils down to a concept or two. When the whole counsel of God is rejected men fall right into the devils trap.

This should be so simple that any true Christian would be in agreement. The understanding that there is such a thing as Jesus having commands that are to be obeyed.

Those who cry for commandments to be shown demonstrate their lack of faith in Gods word. They read the Bible. They know what it says. The reality is they know but reject it.

Take this for an example.

Right in the heart of the context of my first post John the apostle by the Holy Ghost said this:

22:12 “Behold, I come quickly. My reward is with me, to repay to each man according to his work. 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. 22:14 Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city. 22:15 Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. Rev. 22:12-15

As SOON as John mentions that ONLY those who DO his commandments are going to be saved he then gives a list of those who have lived APART FROM HIM and his commandments.


Its so very simple to people who are committed to Jesus and his teaching. And yet the Holy Spirit felt it neccessary to inspire John the apostle to IDENTIFY THE END TIME SAINTS WITH KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS OF JESUS.

No doubt this was done to attempt to awake many out of their sleep caused by the delusional teaching that men need do NOTHING to enter the kingdom.

In all the teaching concerning obedience LOVE is always the basis. Because one LOVES GOD they desire to keep his commands. Certainly all the law and prophets can be summed up in love toward God and his neighbor as Jesus said. Yet Jesus spelled out specific commands for his disciples to do. He must have thought this was NEEDFUL for their understanding.

Then he sent out his disciples with what men have called THE GREAT COMMISSION.

Matt. 28:18-20

“All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth. 28:19 Go,* and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 28:20 teaching them to observe all things that I commanded you. Behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

These things are accented in the sacred writings. The apostles of Christ were faithful to give us these commandments as much of their writings are for that very purpose. Those who immerse themselves in Christ are aware of them. They will have a fighting chance in the last and evil days that will come on the Church at the end of the last days.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

What scripture are you referring to?

22:15 Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. Rev. 22:12-15


Many believe the earth will be purified with fire before NJ comes done from heaven, but if that is true where all them sinners come from out side the city? Also why would there need to be leafs for the healing of he nations?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I like to MTD explain how all them sinners are outside the cityM

Start another thread asking me that question and we will discuss it.

[Sam]

earth abides forever according to Ecclesiastes 1:4

earth may be "destroyed" by fire the way it was destroyed by "water" in Noah's day.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So many act as if Gods word all boils down to a concept or two. When the whole counsel of God is rejected men fall right into the devils trap.

This should be so simple that any true Christian would be in agreement. The understanding that there is such a thing as Jesus having commands that are to be obeyed.

Those who cry for commandments to be shown demonstrate their lack of faith in Gods word. They read the Bible. They know what it says. The reality is they know but reject it.

Take this for an example.

Right in the heart of the context of my first post John the apostle by the Holy Ghost said this:

22:12 “Behold, I come quickly. My reward is with me, to repay to each man according to his work. 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. 22:14 Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city. 22:15 Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. Rev. 22:12-15

As SOON as John mentions that ONLY those who DO his commandments are going to be saved he then gives a list of those who have lived APART FROM HIM and his commandments.


Its so very simple to people who are committed to Jesus and his teaching. And yet the Holy Spirit felt it neccessary to inspire John the apostle to IDENTIFY THE END TIME SAINTS WITH KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS OF JESUS.

No doubt this was done to attempt to awake many out of their sleep caused by the delusional teaching that men need do NOTHING to enter the kingdom.

In all the teaching concerning obedience LOVE is always the basis. Because one LOVES GOD they desire to keep his commands. Certainly all the law and prophets can be summed up in love toward God and his neighbor as Jesus said. Yet Jesus spelled out specific commands for his disciples to do. He must have thought this was NEEDFUL for their understanding.

Then he sent out his disciples with what men have called THE GREAT COMMISSION.

Matt. 28:18-20

“All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth. 28:19 Go,* and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 28:20 teaching them to observe all things that I commanded you. Behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

These things are accented in the sacred writings. The apostles of Christ were faithful to give us these commandments as much of their writings are for that very purpose. Those who immerse themselves in Christ are aware of them. They will have a fighting chance in the last and evil days that will come on the Church at the end of the last days.

MTD, you keep saying the same thing over and over again. The Apostle John you referenced above said this by the Holy Ghost:

1 John 3
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

At least, we are quoting the scripture that states EXPLICITLY what we believe the COMMANDMENTS are.

You keep saying there are other COMMANDMENTS, but yet, you have not listed any. How can you say we need to keep the COMMANDS and yet not list a SINGLE one of them?

Do you realize we are basically asking you "what must we do to be saved?"
And yet, you can't tell us how to be saved?

How can you say "we are not committed to Jesus' COMMANDMENTS, but yet you won't even mention a SINGLE of those commandments?

If you care about our souls, and yet, you won't tell us what to DO to save our souls? okayyyyyy then.....

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So many act as if Gods word all boils down to a concept or two. When the whole counsel of God is rejected men fall right into the devils trap.

This should be so simple that any true Christian would be in agreement. The understanding that there is such a thing as Jesus having commands that are to be obeyed.

Those who cry for commandments to be shown demonstrate their lack of faith in Gods word. They read the Bible. They know what it says. The reality is they know but reject it.

On the contrary, we don't reject it. We actually quote it:
1 John 3:23
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Yes, Jesus has COMMANDS, and there it is above.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Take this for an example.

Right in the heart of the context of my first post John the apostle by the Holy Ghost said this:

22:12 “Behold, I come quickly. My reward is with me, to repay to each man according to his work. 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. 22:14 Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city. 22:15 Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. Rev. 22:12-15

As SOON as John mentions that ONLY those who DO his commandments are going to be saved he then gives a list of those who have lived APART FROM HIM and his commandments.

Gal 5
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Those things mentioned in Revelations are "works of the flesh." If a person is loving God, he won't be walking according to the flesh.

[TGBTG]

MTD, for the record, I understand your point about the "sexually immoral, idolaters, etc..."

What I'm driving at is that a person who loves God will strive to keep himself from these things (works of the flesh).
However, a person who is not practicing these things per se might not necessarily be loving God and his neighbors...

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

MTD, for the record, I understand your point about the "sexually immoral, idolaters, etc..."

What I'm driving at is that a person who loves God will strive to keep himself from these things (works of the flesh).
However, a person who is not practicing these things per se might not necessarily be loving God and his neighbors...

Yes so there are specific commandments. What is it that people have come to think we can just minimize things that the scriptures say? Yes it certainly is true that a person who loves God will strive for obedience. Will keep himself from the works of the flesh.

A person not doing this may not be loving God or his neighbor.Yes.

But WHY PRAY TELL does the scriptures mention MANY COMMANDMENTS of things to do and yet we have people who act as if they know only of two things. Love God. Love neighbor?

These are commandments. They should be EMPHASIZED STRONGLY.

But why is it something considered WRONG and to fight over if we mention OTHER THINGS that are specifically mentioned in commandment or instruction form in scripture.

Take this for instance:


4:2 For you know what instructions we gave you through the Lord Jesus. 4:3 For this is the will of God: your sanctification, that you abstain from sexual immorality, 4:4 that each one of you know how to possess himself of his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 4:5 not in the passion of lust, even as the Gentiles who don’t know God. 1 Thess. 4:2-5

Was it not inspired for Paul to tell us this? Was he just saying it of his own mind? Why did he bother? Why did he not say to all the Churches in all of his writings at all times "Love God and love your neighbor"?

Why did he ever need to say anything else? Do you realize that his writings at times have commandment after commandment after commandment written in them?

Why do you and others feel driven to criticize such teaching? If you are a dedicated disciple to Jesus you can probably yourself open to practically anyplace in the New Testament and begin to see things Christians are commanded, instructed, or admonished to DO.

Its not as if this is merely MY TEACHING.

Ask yourself "Why did the Apostles feel it essential to gives us MANY SPECIFICS of things to do or not to do"?

Had they been disobedient to Christ because they said the things they did?

Was the apostle John doing something wrong by mentioning that those who had the faith of Jesus were those who kept his commandments?

Have you ever noticed in the apostolic writings that many things are given for the reader to do or not to do?