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Old 05-16-2007, 03:13 PM
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Excellent post.

That term "isolationist" has been thrown around for years and it just isn't sticking anymore.

Ron Paul is not an isolationist.
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Old 05-16-2007, 03:16 PM
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No, they haven't. Congress has not declared war.
OK Mister ultra precise language. tell me where in your quotation of the Constitution does it say the words "declair war"
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Old 05-16-2007, 03:18 PM
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Where does the Constitution say Congress gets to make law regarding American military intervention in foreign nations other than a declaration of war?

FROM THE RELEVANT ARTICLE OF THE CONSTITUTION, CONGRESS HAS THE POWER:

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States
right here Mr Mensa

The Constitution of tthe United States of America

Article 1

Section 8

paragraph10-12

The Congress shall have the Power

10 To define and punish Priacies and Felonies committed on the high seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
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Old 05-16-2007, 03:20 PM
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right here Mr Mensa

The Constitution of tthe United States of America

Article 1

Section 8

paragraph10-12

The Congress shall have the Power

10 To define and punish Priacies and Felonies committed on the high seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
Do you know what that clause is in reference to?
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Let's see. These nutzoids attacked the WTC during Clinton's term, blew up one of our ships, and destroyed on of our embassies, along with bringing down the WTC on 9/11 and y'all still think we we wrong in attacking them back? Yeah, right.
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Old 05-16-2007, 03:23 PM
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From Ron Pauls Campaign:


Why Hasn’t Rudy Giuliani Read the 9-11 Commission Report?
May 16, 2007
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

ARLINGTON, VA – During the "First in the South" GOP debate in South Carolina last night, one thing was made clear: Rudy Giuliani does not understand how to keep America safe.

When Congressman Ron Paul, who has long served on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, explained how 50 years of American interventionism in the Middle East has helped compromise our national security, Giuliani interrupted saying he had "never heard anything so absurd." This statement is particularly troubling coming from the former mayor who tries to cast himself as a security expert, since Dr. Paul's point comes directly from the bi-partisan 9-11 Commission Report.

"Rudy Giuliani has tip-toed around the issues of abortion, guns and marriage. The only issue he has left is security, and he doesn't even get that right," said campaign chairman Kent Snyder. "It is clear from his interruption that former Mayor Giuliani has not read the 9-11 Commission Report and has no clue on how to keep America safe."
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I am glad the Ron Paul camp put this out.

Thanks for posting it.

in part RP is right. however, I do not believe that there is any possible way to change this were we to go back in time these 50 years. the heart of the matter is American recognition of Israel. I would never want to change that, and in all honesty if you were to change every thing else we have done where it concerns the middle east, we would still be the same target because we support Israel.

some of you might think supporting Israel is a bad idea. I do not.
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Let's see. These nutzoids attacked the WTC during Clinton's term, blew up one of our ships, and destroyed on of our embassies, along with bringing down the WTC on 9/11 and y'all still think we we wrong in attacking them back? Yeah, right.
Nope... never said that.

You are reading into what people are saying.

We are saying... if you are going to go to war... you need to declare war.

When we went to Afghanistan we should have declared war.

If Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 then we should have declared war.

So...

In your opinion...

Was Iraq involved in 9/11?
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Old 05-16-2007, 03:26 PM
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Do you know what that clause is in reference to?
Yes. However, I suspect you will tell me something completely different than what it is in reference to.

additionally it is an INTERPRETATION that congress HAS to delcare war. It is NOT the position of the Supreme Court, nor is it the position of the actual words in the constitution.
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Nope... never said that.

You are reading into what people are saying.

We are saying... if you are going to go to war... you need to declare war.

When we went to Afghanistan we should have declared war.

If Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 then we should have declared war.

So...

In your opinion...

Was Iraq involved in 9/11?
good grief. how many times does it have to be said that we are not in Iraq because Iraq was a sponser of 9/11 that is asinine.
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Old 05-16-2007, 03:28 PM
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Ron Paul is a TRUE conservative. A TRUE conservative DEMANDS that government ABIDE BY THE CONSTITUTION.

The "neo-cons" believe that the ends justifies the means. Notice that (with the exception of the closet Democrat McCain) everybody at the debate SUPPORTED the use of TORTURE and supported unconstitutional, undeclared wars with foreign nations.

Paul is NOT an "isolationist". Paul is a CONSTITUTIONALIST. He has REPEATEDLY said, and he in fact ARGUED IN CONGRESS, that IF there is a valid need to go to war with Iraq, then Congress needs to DECLARE WAR and we need to go in ALL OUT NON STOP with CLEAR GOALS and WIN, and he argued AGAINST all this political balderdash and the TREASONOUS action by Congress when they DELEGATED their Constitutional authority to the Executive Branch.

Ron Paul is resonating with a BROAD SPECTRUM of Americans who are sick and tired of being sick and tired of the same old garbage politicians on both sides of the FALSE "left-right" paradigm.

What a novel idea! Follow the Constitution!

Something these fake Republican neo-cons cannot wrap their Fabian minds around...
ron paul is a fruit cake. he problably believes the gubbermint blew up the WTC.
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