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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
I have a Pastor friend in Athens Tennessee who ministers among the Amish people. He told me they are not Christians as we think of Christians. He doesnt mean Apostolic Christians by that he means as in Christianity Christians. He said they preach from a book of their own traditions.
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That is what Bro. Robbins was saying that if there was an Apostolic version of the Amish, he would join in a heartbeat. He did not agree with their doctrine.
I would think that these people truly are separated from the world in the physical sense.
Apparently, there are some people that cannot handle discussions that go beyond and below shallowness. Since no Apostolic pastors want to delve deeper into the spiritual side of what being separated from the world is and I was chided for even asking the question, I will say this and let this thread die.
I John 2:15,16
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Good explanation From Gills' Exposition of the Entire Bible
For all that is in the world,.... This is the sum of the evil things in the world; or these following are the objects of sin in the world, or about which wicked men are conversant; even such as are carnal or grateful to the flesh, visible to the eye, and belong to this vain life, or serve to fill with pride and vanity; or these are the main things, which men that love the world most highly value and esteem:
the lust of the flesh; by which is meant, not lust in general, or concupiscence, the corruption of nature, which is the fountain of all sin, or indwelling sin, the flesh, or that corrupt principle which lusts against the Spirit; nor the various lusts of the flesh, fleshly lusts, which war against the soul, and which are many, and are also called worldly lusts; but some particular one, "a lust of the body", as the Syriac version reads; either the lust of uncleanness, which includes all unchaste desires, thoughts, words, and actions, fornication, adultery, rape, incest, sodomy, and all unnatural lusts; and which make up a considerable part of the all that is in the world: or else intemperance in eating and drinking, gluttony and drunkenness, excess of wine, surfeitings, rioting, and revellings, and all the sensual pleasures of life, by which the carnal mind, and the lusts of it, are gratified; whereby the soul is destroyed, the body is dishonoured, and a wound, dishonour, and reproach brought on the character, not to be removed; for which reasons the world, and the things of it, are not to be loved: the next follows,
the lust of the eyes: after unlawful objects, and may design unchaste and lascivious looks, eyes full of adultery, and whereby adultery is committed; see
Matthew 5:28; but then this falls in with the other, unless that be confined to intemperance; rather then this may intend a sinful curiosity of seeing vain sights, and shows, with which the eye of man is never satisfied,
Ecclesiastes 1:8; and against which the psalmist prays,
Psalm 119:37, or rather the sin of covetousness is here designed, the objects of which are visible things, as gold, silver, houses, lands, and possessions, with which riches the eyes of men are never satisfied, and which sin is drawn forth and cherished by the eyes; and indeed a covetous man has little more satisfaction than the beholding his substance with his eyes, and in which he takes much sinful pleasure; see
Ecclesiastes 4:8; and what a poor vain empty thing is this! therefore, love not the world, since this is a principal thing in it: as is also
the pride of life; by which seems to be meant, ambition of honour, of chief places and high titles, as in the Scribes and Pharisees,
Matthew 23:6, or of grand living, for the word signifies not so much life as living; living in a sumptuous, gay, luxurious, and pompous manner, in rich diet, costly apparel, having fine seats, palaces, and stately buildings, and numerous attendance; all which is but vanity and vexation of spirit; see
Ecclesiastes 2:1. The Syriac and Arabic versions read, "the pride of the age"; and every age has some peculiar things in which the pride of it appears. Now neither of these
is of the Father; of God the Father, as the Ethiopic version reads; the things which are desired and lusted after are of God, but not the lust itself; God is not the author of sin, nor is it agreeable to his will:
but is of the world; of the men of it, and agreeable to their carnal minds; and is a reason why things of the world are not to be loved by the saints, who are not of it, but chosen and called out of it; and besides, all these things are mean, base, vile, and contemptible, and unworthy of their love and affection.
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According to this very good explanation of what NOT loving this world and being separate from the things in this world...how many of us are guilty of, if not the lust of the flesh...for we marry the one God gave to us for a lifetime partner and the marriage bed is undefiled... but even the lust of the eyes and the pride of life? How many of us are not satisfied with certain clothes, a simple home or do we lust after titles and recognition? How many coats do we have? How many pairs of shoes do we have? What is in our wardrobe, while somebody else wears rags? How many of us want to make a name amongst ourselves or are so very proud of our accomplishments in this life that it interferes with our walk in Christ? How many of us, if we are honest with ourselves, examine ourselves and find that we may not be as separate as we think we are?
Pride of life. Are we guilty?
But then, this has been called a silly question so everybody go back to sleep.
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