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[Ferd]

Originally Posted by CC1

Fred Thompson is as close as you are going to get in a canidate with a realistic chance of winning. Unlike some people I want at least incremental gains not supporting fringe nuts with a snowballs chance in winning.

If GWB had not been elected in 04 then partial birth abortions would still be legal right now. So while GWB has not been the magical dictator many conservative Christians dream about who will somehow outlaw abortion,etc, his court appointments have already paid off on this important moral issue.

Why do some people insist on Losing on principle?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Why do some people insist on Losing on principle?

I guess it is a variation of the phenomena of some folks who are so heavenly minded they are of no earthly good.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by CC1

I guess it is a variation of the phenomena of some folks who are so heavenly minded they are of no earthly good.

So I should plan now to get on board with Giuliani??

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

So I should plan now to get on board with Giuliani??

Fred Thompson.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

So I should plan now to get on board with Giuliani??

By the way... I think the Electric Amish are hilarious.

[tv1a]

I'm waiting for the antichrist. He's has to be better than any of the inmates running for prez from both sides of the aisle.

Originally Posted by Rico

Let's see. These nutzoids attacked the WTC during Clinton's term, blew up one of our ships, and destroyed on of our embassies, along with bringing down the WTC on 9/11 and y'all still think we we wrong in attacking them back? Yeah, right.

Without Congress declaring war, it's unconstitutional. The problem here is that Congress doesn't want to be held accountable if something should happen to go wrong.

Originally Posted by Ferd

right here Mr Mensa

The Constitution of tthe United States of America

Article 1

Section 8

paragraph10-12

The Congress shall have the Power

10 To define and punish Priacies and Felonies committed on the high seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

Yes, I'm aware of that. But look at what it says. It says that CONGRESS shall have the power to DEFINE AND PUNISH offenses against the law of nations (whatever the law of nations is). It doesn't say the Executive Branch gets to do it. But notice what follows in the next six lines:

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.


You really have to look at these things in context.

Originally Posted by Ferd

OK Mister ultra precise language. tell me where in your quotation of the Constitution does it say the words "declair war"

Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Originally Posted by Ferd

ron paul is a fruit cake. he problably believes the gubbermint blew up the WTC.

No, he rightly believes that government interference in the affairs of other nations, particularly the Middle East, over the last 50 or so years resulted in Islamic extremists deciding to retaliate against the United States.