Creflo Dollar

[Margies3]

Raising a child is about discipline - NOT punishment. We discipline so that they will learn a better way to behave or do things. Discipline is for THEIR benefit - it helps THEM grow. Punishment is a release for the person who is administering the punishment. It gets out their anger. Unfortunately, it releases it onto the person who is the smaller and more vulnerable. Discipline says, "I'm here to help you learn". Punishment says, "I'm bigger and tougher and you have to do what I tell you because of that!"

If you have to discipline with physical punishment (especially after your children are older and there are more effective means) than maybe it's time to serious assess your parenting skills. If the only way that you can get a child to do what you tell them to do is to beat on them or choke them or hurt them in some other physical way, then you are not doing a very good job of communicating them the reasons WHY you are teaching them the lessons you hope to teach them.

We swatted little bottoms until our kids were about 5 or 6 years old. After that, there are much more effective means of discipline. Maybe not punishment. But definitely discipline.

[Margies3]

by the way, I think this guy really needs to pay the money for a name change. It throws me every time I read it. LOL

[Nitehawk013]

Originally Posted by Margies3

Raising a child is about discipline - NOT punishment. We discipline so that they will learn a better way to behave or do things. Discipline is for THEIR benefit - it helps THEM grow. Punishment is a release for the person who is administering the punishment. It gets out their anger. Unfortunately, it releases it onto the person who is the smaller and more vulnerable. Discipline says, "I'm here to help you learn". Punishment says, "I'm bigger and tougher and you have to do what I tell you because of that!"

If you have to discipline with physical punishment (especially after your children are older and there are more effective means) than maybe it's time to serious assess your parenting skills. If the only way that you can get a child to do what you tell them to do is to beat on them or choke them or hurt them in some other physical way, then you are not doing a very good job of communicating them the reasons WHY you are teaching them the lessons you hope to teach them.

We swatted little bottoms until our kids were about 5 or 6 years old. After that, there are much more effective means of discipline. Maybe not punishment. But definitely discipline.

Actually, punishment says you did something wrong, that shouldn't have been done, and now you will pay the price.

Physical punshment mixed with discipline and teaching has done just great at producing decent humans for generations. Seems pretty clear to me that once physical punishment was taken away kids started turning into the disrespectful dirtbags we see all over the place today.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

Actually, punishment says you did something wrong, that shouldn't have been done, and now you will pay the price.

Physical punshment mixed with discipline and teaching has done just great at producing decent humans for generations. Seems pretty clear to me that once physical punishment was taken away kids started turning into the disrespectful dirtbags we see all over the place today.

That's because many parents have very little understanding of raising children, physical punishment is the very lowest level of parental instruction.

Children can be directed and disciplined without physical beatings.

My own father used physical punishment, and with seven boys and four girls it was effective, because his love for us was apparent. And it was always done, at least by the time I was born, in the context of God's love.

However, it did not cultivate a close relationship with my father. He and I never were able to communicate in depth. While I loved him and I knew he loved me, and we showed it with hugs and respect, communication between us was limited. And that is my greatest regret.

This was fairly consistant with my parents generation, due to their own hertiage, so I don't fault my father, and I respect him and mom deeply. They lived what they believed, and they cared for their eleven children to the very best of their ability. God's grace in this type of context is bountiful. So, I credit their love for God and for their children as the most important factors not the physical punishment. There is very little grace when there is falsehood and anger in the home, with parents declaring one thing and living quite another. There was none of that in our home.

My responsibility is to grow on the foundation given me by God and my parents, not to just accept what they did as perfect. None of us have arrived, God is calling us to lead on!!!

[RandyWayne]

The only time my dad wacked me, or took things away, was when it involved church. The motivation to show up for service with the perfect family is a powerful thing.

[HebrewPent]

It is a shame that the police got involved with a father trying to discipline his child. Creflo, like any decent father, was not going to let his 15 year-old daughter walk out the house to go to some party and come back to the house when she felt like it.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by HebrewPent

It is a shame that the police got involved with a father trying to discipline his child. Creflo, like any decent father, was not going to let his 15 year-old daughter walk out the house to go to some party and come back to the house when she felt like it.

I can't imagine my husband EVER choking or slapping one of our children--no matter what they were trying to do.

I never cease to be appalled at what Christian people will defend in the name of "discipline."

I wonder if the father of the prodigal son slapped and choked his son in an effort to stop his foolish plans?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I can't imagine my husband EVER choking or slapping one of our children--no matter what they were trying to do.

I never cease to be appalled at what Christian people will defend in the name of "discipline."

I wonder if the father of the prodigal son slapped and choked his son in an effort to stop his foolish plans?

My Dad threw my brother down our stairs when he continued to back talked my Dad.

My Mom threw a plate at my brother when he continued to disrespect her cooking.


At the time when these events happened, it may have seemed extreme for someone on the outside looking in, but I can tell you that my brother deserved both acts of discipline and he is a better man today for it.


I stand by Pastor Creflo Dollar on this one.

I wouldn't let satan have my daughter or son passively. Sometimes, love can be tough.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

My Dad threw my brother down our stairs when he continued to back talked my Dad.

My Mom threw a plate at my brother when he continued to disrespect her cooking.


At the time when these events happened, it may have seemed extreme for someone on the outside looking in, but I can tell you that my brother deserved both acts of discipline and he is a better man today for it.


I stand by Pastor Creflo Dollar on this one.

I wouldn't let satan have my daughter or son passively. Sometimes, love can be tough.

Your father and mother needed some training in parenting as most parents do, adults that do such things including Creflo are immature in parenting. They may be mature in other areas, but their parenting needs help, when it gets to this point they have already missed the ball much earlier in parenting their children.

We all miss it in some areas, and by the time we get it together our children have already grown up. Hopefully, we are able to grow some beyond our own childhood and add some growth to our children and as result our family tree matures, at least, generationally.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I can't imagine my husband EVER choking or slapping one of our children--no matter what they were trying to do.

I never cease to be appalled at what Christian people will defend in the name of "discipline."

I wonder if the father of the prodigal son slapped and choked his son in an effort to stop his foolish plans?

Amen!!!