Creflo Dollar - Page 5

Cindy · #41 06-12-2012, 08:32 AM

There are some parents I would like to whoop!!

And I personally preferred getting spanked with a switch than spanked with a belt. But, that's just me.

Margies3 · #42 06-12-2012, 10:05 AM

Raising a child is about discipline - NOT punishment. We discipline so that they will learn a better way to behave or do things. Discipline is for THEIR benefit - it helps THEM grow. Punishment is a release for the person who is administering the punishment. It gets out their anger. Unfortunately, it releases it onto the person who is the smaller and more vulnerable. Discipline says, "I'm here to help you learn". Punishment says, "I'm bigger and tougher and you have to do what I tell you because of that!"

If you have to discipline with physical punishment (especially after your children are older and there are more effective means) than maybe it's time to serious assess your parenting skills. If the only way that you can get a child to do what you tell them to do is to beat on them or choke them or hurt them in some other physical way, then you are not doing a very good job of communicating them the reasons WHY you are teaching them the lessons you hope to teach them.

We swatted little bottoms until our kids were about 5 or 6 years old. After that, there are much more effective means of discipline. Maybe not punishment. But definitely discipline.

Margies3 · #43 06-12-2012, 10:06 AM

by the way, I think this guy really needs to pay the money for a name change. It throws me every time I read it. LOL

Nitehawk013 · #44 06-12-2012, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Margies3

Raising a child is about discipline - NOT punishment. We discipline so that they will learn a better way to behave or do things. Discipline is for THEIR benefit - it helps THEM grow. Punishment is a release for the person who is administering the punishment. It gets out their anger. Unfortunately, it releases it onto the person who is the smaller and more vulnerable. Discipline says, "I'm here to help you learn". Punishment says, "I'm bigger and tougher and you have to do what I tell you because of that!"

If you have to discipline with physical punishment (especially after your children are older and there are more effective means) than maybe it's time to serious assess your parenting skills. If the only way that you can get a child to do what you tell them to do is to beat on them or choke them or hurt them in some other physical way, then you are not doing a very good job of communicating them the reasons WHY you are teaching them the lessons you hope to teach them.

We swatted little bottoms until our kids were about 5 or 6 years old. After that, there are much more effective means of discipline. Maybe not punishment. But definitely discipline.

Actually, punishment says you did something wrong, that shouldn't have been done, and now you will pay the price.

Physical punshment mixed with discipline and teaching has done just great at producing decent humans for generations. Seems pretty clear to me that once physical punishment was taken away kids started turning into the disrespectful dirtbags we see all over the place today.

HolyFire · #45 06-12-2012, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

Yeah...society has just gotten so much better, and kids have become so much more well behaved, since people stopped lighting up their kid's rear ends when they got out of line.

Esther · #46 06-12-2012, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SiblingRevelry

The Bible says a lot of things that we don't do today. We don't practice chattel slavery--which was acceptable in Bible times. We don't kill women who fail to cry out when they're raped or take disobedient children to the elders of the city and have them stoned (that's in the Old Testament laws). Those are some biggies I can think of off the top of my head.

If we can change our minds about those things (and I will admit, here in the USA we fought a civil war, then had a 80+ year period of Jim Crow, and we're still working through the effects), then maybe it's worth looking at whether or not spanking your kids is useful or effective and should be done.

And I am not talking about a swat on a diapered rear end after you grab your child's arm to keep him from running into traffic--I'm talking about the whole ritualized "wait till your father gets home" going out and choosing a switch or picking a belt from dad's collection in the closet. Or the "child training" that some people engage in which involves whacking kids with 1/4 inch plumbing line.

I just believe that people need to think long and hard about spanking, whacking or hitting their children, instead of "well it says in the Bible, spare the rod and spoil the child." Again, I'd point you to things we don't do nIow even though the Bible approves of them.

I think that is why our society is in the pitiful shape it is in now. Children need discipline.

Margies3 · #47 06-12-2012, 08:56 PM

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I think that is why our society is in the pitiful shape it is in now. Children need discipline.

Agreed. Children DO need discipline. But discipline does not always (or even often) need to involve physical battery. Swatting a diapered bottom just enough to get their attention is one thing. Leaving welts, bruises or other marks is a whole different thing. That should NEVER happen - at any age!!

And I still maintain that after a certain age, there are much more effective means of discipline. Curtail your teens social life by taking away their phone, their computer, their car, and their privilege of leaving the house. That's fine. But beating them? Really? We throw a fit and call him a batterer if a man hits his wife (to teach her a lesson. ya right!). But if he hits his 15 year old daughter we call that discipline. Does that seem right to you? it really doesn't to me.

When I was 14, our pastor's daughters and I got in some trouble together (nothing serious. We snuck out in the middle of the night and rode across town in our pj's on our bikes - remember, this was in the 60's and we live in a small town). My dad took my bike away for a month and grounded me to our yard for a week. That was plenty of "punishment" for what we'd done. I learned my lesson - believe me! On the other hand, our pastor beat his daughter's with a piece of rubber hose so badly that they had welts and bruises on their backsides and down the backs of their legs. At that point, I lost ever bit of respect I had ever had for the man. From then on I just saw him as a brutal bully.

RandyWayne · #48 06-12-2012, 09:33 PM

The only time my dad wacked me, or took things away, was when it involved church. The motivation to show up for service with the perfect family is a powerful thing.

HebrewPent · #49 06-12-2012, 09:46 PM

It is a shame that the police got involved with a father trying to discipline his child. Creflo, like any decent father, was not going to let his 15 year-old daughter walk out the house to go to some party and come back to the house when she felt like it.

MissBrattified · #50 06-12-2012, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HebrewPent

It is a shame that the police got involved with a father trying to discipline his child. Creflo, like any decent father, was not going to let his 15 year-old daughter walk out the house to go to some party and come back to the house when she felt like it.

I can't imagine my husband EVER choking or slapping one of our children--no matter what they were trying to do.

I never cease to be appalled at what Christian people will defend in the name of "discipline."

I wonder if the father of the prodigal son slapped and choked his son in an effort to stop his foolish plans?