How many thrones?

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by acerrak

before Jesus became the express image of God he already had one

I'm still not understanding what you're saying.

Are you saying that "before Jesus became the express image of God, God already had an image (which was not Jesus)?"

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

I'm still not understanding what you're saying.

Are you saying that "before Jesus became the express image of God, God already had an image (which was not Jesus)?"

yes that is how i see it.

[Amanah]

do you mean theophanies acerrak?

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

I'm still not understanding what you're saying.

Are you saying that "before Jesus became the express image of God, God already had an image (which was not Jesus)?"

Originally Posted by acerrak

yes that is how i see it.

Originally Posted by acerrak

why not see the father as revealed to moses except this time face to face?

Ok, now, I understand your statement about "the Father being revealed to Moses face to face"

Exodus 33:11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

If we keep reading that chapter,
Exodus 33
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Moses did not literally see the FACE of God. The conversation between Moses and God was a direct (or intimate) conversation just like a man speaking to his friend. The rest of Israel did not have that privilege. They stood afar off, but Moses was privileged to walk up to the mountain of God and speak to God directly.
However, Moses did NOT SEE THE FACE of God literally

John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

1 John 4:12 "No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us."

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Amanah

do you mean theophanies acerrak?

well not theophanies but that very well could be the case as God could choose any form to be seen By,

[Jermyn Davidson]

I don't know.

I used to comfort myself with the idea of being able to hug Jesus, once we step into eternity, but I was told by an Assistant Pastor, astute in Biblical studies, that hugging Jesus will not be possible.

It literally broke my heart.


Now, I don't even try to speculate on much concerning the hereafter, because even when I think I know something, I don't.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Ok, now, I understand your statement about "the Father being revealed to Moses face to face"

Exodus 33:11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

If we keep reading that chapter,
Exodus 33
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Moses did not literally see the FACE of God. The conversation between Moses and God was a direct (or intimate) conversation just like a man speaking to his friend. The rest of Israel did not have that privilege. They stood afar off, but Moses was privileged to walk up to the mountain of God and speak to God directly.
However, Moses did NOT SEE THE FACE of God literally

John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

1 John 4:12 "No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us."

yes i agree he didnt see his face, cause he would have died, but he did see that back parts that God revealed to him.

as far as the no man has seen God at anytime, there must be a different meaning or intent as a few of the prophets stated they say Him, Ezekiel, and isaiah. we even draw pictures today trying to depict what they saw.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I don't know.

I used to comfort myself with the idea of being able to hug Jesus, once we step into eternity, but I was told by an Assistant Pastor, astute in Biblical studies, that hugging Jesus will not be possible.

It literally broke my heart.


Now, I don't even try to speculate on much concerning the hereafter, because even when I think I know something, I don't.

what??????????? that assistant pastor is on some GOOD crack!!!

the savior was personal dont you think he wants to be personal with you?

Were gonna toss crowns at his feet, were gonna dance around the throne in heaven, sing praises to our God and meet our sweet jesus face to face?? Better believe He is gonna get hugged!!!! If not all i have to do is ask God i wanna Hug Jesus, Do you think he is gonna deny my request??

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by acerrak

yes i agree he didnt see his face, cause he would have died, but he did see that back parts that God revealed to him.

as far as the no man has seen God at anytime, there must be a different meaning or intent as a few of the prophets stated they say Him, Ezekiel, and isaiah. we even draw pictures today trying to depict what they saw.

Compare the prophecy/experience of Isaiah with what the Apostle John said

Isaiah 6
1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.

8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.

9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.


John 12
37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.

John tells us who Isaiah saw...

Understanding that Jesus is visible EXPRESSION of the INVISIBLE God ties all these scriptures together for me.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by acerrak

why not see the father as revealed to moses except this time face to face?

Moses saw God the Word/Logos/Angel of YHWH/Memra/ha Kavod/form/Son (in some theology) before the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.