Is there anyone who is Apostolic anymore?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Saul Stephen

Well now, we can see by this conversation on the subject of falling away, stills brings to light personal feelings, and things taught that we disagree with. Regrettably so, but, it really concerns me, that the reality here, is not what we think, but what are we doing about it. You all know who lacks here, or who may be teaching us all of a known truth, are we living according to his word. Argumentative yes or no. If there is no conviction, god given, the life suffers because of it. So, my dear friends, we have indeed, just entered into the personal question that is presented to each one of us , " do you have a personal walk with god]? I do, and with great respect to the young andrew 8383, we simply say, amen.

Amen

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by BroJoe

Nope, that's not what I said. I said if my Pastor says to be clean shaven while on the platform, I obey.

I don't believe my Pastor makes it out to be a Heaven or Hell issue either. He just prefers the members on the platform to be clean shaven. We have people in our Church that wear mustaches and they are accepted just fine. Hope this helps.

Very well.

Do you see how this unfettered deference could be problematic to "proving all things"? How about not eating red meat, or sex only for the purpose of procreation, or a pastor requiring, then laying claim to, all tithe income?

[AreYouReady?]

Every Oneness church I have ever attended, the Pastor laid claim to all tithe income.

It wasn't until I came to AFF that I learned not all Oneness churches are equal.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

And what does a personal walk with God consist of?

Read Galatians 5:1-26 for just a glimpse of what God expects from us. There's more.

You have hit the nail on the head. Our walk is personal, not to be ridiculed by other believers because our walk is not the same of the "convictions" of other believers.

Thats a great revelation there AYR. Here is my question though, is that a two way street ?

Not likely. As evidenced by the "apostolic swimwear" thread, one who may have more conservative convictions can not even have a normal conversation without those less conservative making it into a standards bash thread.

And yes, there are critics from both sides of the fence. But the liberal types are quicker to point out a conservatives "misguided" ways. And its funny to me because when I see a question thread by someone more liberal than me about something in everyday life, (clothes,music,etc) I simply don't post because our beliefs may be different so my opinion is not relevant. When this happens in reverse, every lib on the forum has to step in and stir the pot.

Like I said, great revelation, be tough to sell it though.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by scotty

Thats a great revelation there AYR. Here is my question though, is that a two way street ?

Not likely. As evidenced by the "apostolic swimwear" thread, one who may have more conservative convictions can not even have a normal conversation without those less conservative making it into a standards bash thread.

And yes, there are critics from both sides of the fence. But the liberal types are quicker to point out a conservatives "misguided" ways. And its funny to me because when I see a question thread by someone more liberal than me about something in everyday life, (clothes,music,etc) I simply don't post because our beliefs may be different so my opinion is not relevant. When this happens in reverse, every lib on the forum has to step in and stir the pot.

Like I said, great revelation, be tough to sell it though.

Is this any different then when the tables are turned in a church environment or more conservative message board? When a member mentions taking a vacation and a week later the pastor is talking about the appropriateness of said destination over the pulpit? I suppose that's OK though because we are not to touch God's anointed.....

And while I am nearly always trying to keep things lighthearted with my playful taunts, I have never called someone backslidden.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by scotty

Thats a great revelation there AYR. Here is my question though, is that a two way street ?

Not likely. As evidenced by the "apostolic swimwear" thread, one who may have more conservative convictions can not even have a normal conversation without those less conservative making it into a standards bash thread.

And yes, there are critics from both sides of the fence. But the liberal types are quicker to point out a conservatives "misguided" ways. And its funny to me because when I see a question thread by someone more liberal than me about something in everyday life, (clothes,music,etc) I simply don't post because our beliefs may be different so my opinion is not relevant. When this happens in reverse, every lib on the forum has to step in and stir the pot.

Like I said, great revelation, be tough to sell it though.

The poster who started the swimwear discussion said and I quote "
Hello! I am an Apostolic male. I know that modesty in dress is different from person to person and church to church. I personally do not wear shorts or short sleeves (typically 3/4 length sleeves or longer). I am able to find tons of websites selling modest swimwear for women but not alot for men. What sites I find that do have mens swimwear, I would'nt consider modest or holy. Does anyone know of some websites or have any suggestions, thoughts, or advice? Thank you! "

So actually THEY started with a comparison of churches, etc. when actually they only needed to say "I am able to find tons of websites selling modest swimwear for women but not alot for men. What sites I find that do have mens swimwear, I would'nt consider modest." When you use words like 'holy' when describing swimwear you insinuate that anyone who is wearing less then your coverage is somehow 'UNHOLY'. That of course might raise hackles. No surprises there.

Still I hope that I was helpful and not rude in pointing out that it was probably going to be big bucks for something that will get little use.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Is this any different then when the tables are turned in a church environment or more conservative message board? When a member mentions taking a vacation and a week later the pastor is talking about the appropriateness of said destination over the pulpit? I suppose that's OK though because we are not to touch God's anointed.....

And while I am nearly always trying to keep things lighthearted with my playful taunts, I have never called someone backslidden.

Like I said, AYR had a great revelation. But it won't happen, not here. Can't speak for other forums, though I am more conservative than most here and not as conservative as others, I won't go to those forums because of what your talking about , which is the same reason I don't go to lib forums. Just wish this place was a little more, shall we say, friendly to both sides.

And we are talking about this forum. Obviously none of us can control what goes on inside of churches. Especially ones we all do not attend.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

The poster who started the swimwear discussion said and I quote "
Hello! I am an Apostolic male. I know that modesty in dress is different from person to person and church to church. I personally do not wear shorts or short sleeves (typically 3/4 length sleeves or longer). I am able to find tons of websites selling modest swimwear for women but not alot for men. What sites I find that do have mens swimwear, I would'nt consider modest or holy. Does anyone know of some websites or have any suggestions, thoughts, or advice? Thank you! "

So actually THEY started with a comparison of churches, etc. when actually they only needed to say "I am able to find tons of websites selling modest swimwear for women but not alot for men. What sites I find that do have mens swimwear, I would'nt consider modest." When you use words like 'holy' when describing swimwear you insinuate that anyone who is wearing less then your coverage is somehow 'UNHOLY'. That of course might raise hackles. No surprises there.

Still I hope that I was helpful and not rude in pointing out that it was probably going to be big bucks for something that will get little use.

I understand what your saying, but again, as AYR has stated, those are his personal beliefs as to what is holy or not, no different from the word "modesty" to me. But those who may be more lib than he WILL see that before anything else.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by scotty

[B][COLOR=blue] Just wish this place was a little more, shall we say, friendly to both sides.

I must say I agree, but...

It is the debate, and strong opinion that can make things interesting for many.

It's really not unlike the real world. If someone believes Christians not wearing long sleeves in 105 degree temps is a salvific shortfall, they will open themselves to some serious criticism - both here and in real life.

Likewise, if one believes we should simply let pop culture define what acceptable for Christians - they too might be targeted by the Christian community, online community included.

Everyone should simply grow up and become a MODERATE like me!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Andrew8383

Most of my Sunday school teachers, friends from church, pastors family have all backslid. This is from my childhood not my current church. My current pastor still believes in the old standards and ways, which I love. I'm the Youth Pastor and I know the bible speaks of the great falling away but it makes me so angry to see this. Anyone else notice this in their area?

"Is there anyone who is Apostolic anymore?" What a way to start out posting.

When I read this, a couple things came to mind.

1. Who is this person and does he think he's the only "real Apostolic" left?

2. I don't know his motives because in written communication like this we cannot see facial expressions, body language, voice inflections, etc but it did not include a smiley face or indication that it was written as a joke.

3. I first thought of the "badge" (shown as an attachment below) that he may be wearing.

4. I also thought of Elijah when he thought he was the only one left in the truth and living for God and the Lord had to remind him that he was not alone, thousands of others were alive and well and living for the Lord. Elijah must have just not been aware of them or maybe he didn't recognize them because they may have not met his personal criteria for being saints. (reference 1 Kings 19:10-18)