Holiness

[bishoph]

Holiness (heart conforming to God's character) and sanctification (outward appearance/disciplines)are often misunderstood to be one and the same. One can have sanctification without ever being holy, however one cannot have true holiness and not be sanctified. Sadly many live a life of sanctification and are bitter about it because they have never had a relationship with God that will draw them to holiness.

Sanctification is a byproduct of holiness, however it seems many teach that sanctification will make you holy........not so!

[hometown guy]

Originally Posted by bishoph

Holiness (heart conforming to God's character) and sanctification (outward appearance/disciplines)are often misunderstood to be one and the same. One can have sanctification without ever being holy, however one cannot have true holiness and not be sanctified. Sadly many live a life of sanctification and are bitter about it because they have never had a relationship with God that will draw them to holiness.

Sanctification is a byproduct of holiness, however it seems many teach that sanctification will make you holy........not so!

Very good post.

[acerrak]

Holiness is not something you do or obtain by rightous works.

The Nation of Israel was Holy unto God. Why? Not because they was some great religious movement of the day. Not because of some rightousness they obtained.

No they where Holy and seperated because God declared them as such.

Nothing you do makes you Holy or seperated, Your outward dress or your personality etc.

Its God in You that makes you Holy and seperates you from this world. That is Holiness.

while we strive to have sin managment in our life, and to be open loving and caring, sinners can do that, so that is not what seperates us from them. Its by the Spirit of God declaring you Holy through Jesus Christ.

That is where one is declared rightous by faith, reconciled to God through His death, His Spirit deposited for Sonship and redemption, Now yoy are being perfected in Christ, Not because of your deeds or sin managment , but because of the finished work of the Cross.

Now you are in a Holy priesthood seperated to god for the work of His will and Good Pleasure. He made you Holy, you couldnt do anything to become Holy.

When Isaiah saw Gods Glory, He declared Himself a wretched man"he fell apart at the seems so to speak", He repented Then it wasnt until God sent the angel with the coal to touch His tonge was he declared Holy and rightous.

6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar. 7 With it he touched my mouth and said, “See, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and your sin atoned for.”

That is now the Holy Spirit in Us. That is Holiness.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by bishoph

Holiness (heart conforming to God's character) and sanctification (outward appearance/disciplines)are often misunderstood to be one and the same. One can have sanctification without ever being holy, however one cannot have true holiness and not be sanctified. Sadly many live a life of sanctification and are bitter about it because they have never had a relationship with God that will draw them to holiness.

Sanctification is a byproduct of holiness, however it seems many teach that sanctification will make you holy........not so!

Brother though I respect your position in this post, I'll have to disagree... to a degree.

I don't agree with your definitions for Holiness and Sanctification. I define Righteousness as my heart conforming to God's Character. And I believe that comes by no other source than by the grace of God, through the shed blood of Christ. I do not believe Righteousness can be earned.

I believe Holiness is literally separation. God is Holy as there are none like him... He is set apart from all others and Holy (set apart/none like Him) in His Mercy, Holy in His compassion, Holy in His judgement, Holy in His Righteousness, etc.

For me, Lifestyle Holiness is about separation, separation from culture, from modern day trends, from certain aspects of dress and conduct, etc. I would even go as far as to say that Holiness and Sanctification are the same thing.

Though you and I disagree on the semantics, it's obvious we both believe the same things though about separated living and Lifestyle Holiness.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

I believe Holiness is literally separation. God is Holy as there are none like him... He is set apart from all others and Holy (set apart/none like Him) in His Mercy, Holy in His compassion, Holy in His judgement, Holy in His Righteousness, etc.

For me, Lifestyle Holiness is about separation, separation from culture, from modern day trends, from certain aspects of dress and conduct, etc.

I think holiness is about separation, how we define separation may differ.

[Aquila]

To me... "holiness" is essentially being a living extention of Jesus Himself. Allowing Jesus to live His own life out through us, producing fruit. Realizing that we are one with Him with regards to spirit. Allowing Him to be the vine... and ourselves to be the branches. One organism. Reckoning ourselves crucified with Him, and now reckoning our identity as being found only in Christ. Being Jesus.

Galatians 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by bishoph

Holiness (heart conforming to God's character) and sanctification (outward appearance/disciplines)are often misunderstood to be one and the same. One can have sanctification without ever being holy, however one cannot have true holiness and not be sanctified. Sadly many live a life of sanctification and are bitter about it because they have never had a relationship with God that will draw them to holiness.

Sanctification is a byproduct of holiness, however it seems many teach that sanctification will make you holy........not so!

I agree with this, and you stated it quite well. The word holiness in scripture is never found in regards to outward appearance, but in regards to the character of God.

I like your description of sanctification in that it is a by-product of holiness of heart.

Sanctification can be produced by our flesh, but true holiness of heart will never be achieved by working on sanctification alone.

Wonder when OP will figure this out? That would be a great breakthrough in many churches....

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by bishoph

Holiness (heart conforming to God's character) and sanctification (outward appearance/disciplines)are often misunderstood to be one and the same. One can have sanctification without ever being holy, however one cannot have true holiness and not be sanctified. Sadly many live a life of sanctification and are bitter about it because they have never had a relationship with God that will draw them to holiness.

Sanctification is a byproduct of holiness, however it seems many teach that sanctification will make you holy........not so!

How does a finite human being become conform to an infinite and holy God's character?

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Aquila

How does a finite human being become conform to an infinite and holy God's character?

If I may answer this question....

I believe II Peter 1:3-10 holds the answer to this question.

3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

7And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

8For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

11For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


According to Peter, if we seek to put on his divine nature, and divine power, they will give us all we need to obtain life and godliness. With all diligence we can add to our faith like this:
1. Faith
2. Virtue
3. Knowledge
4. Temperance
5. Patience
6. Godliness
7. Brotherly kindness
8. Charity

II Peter 1:8 "For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ."

II Peter 1:10,11 "... for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the EVERLASTING kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

If I may answer this question....

I believe II Peter 1:3-10 holds the answer to this question.

3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

7And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

8For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

11For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


According to Peter, if we seek to put on his divine nature, and divine power, they will give us all we need to obtain life and godliness. With all diligence we can add to our faith like this:
1. Faith
2. Virtue
3. Knowledge
4. Temperance
5. Patience
6. Godliness
7. Brotherly kindness
8. Charity

II Peter 1:8 "For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ."

II Peter 1:10,11 "... for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the EVERLASTING kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

thats sanctification Not Holiness,

you are already Holy and acceptable in gods eye's through jesus before many of these attributes start to grow in your life.

This is the process of sanctification, the work of the Holy spirit in You.

Being seperated Comes from the Spirit, when one is placed in the Body of believers. This is the finished work of the Cross, from there we grow in our walk producing such fruits. The work of God in us.