The Trouble With Apostolics is... - Page 5

Hoovie · #41 07-11-2012, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG

Then what good, in your opinion, is that heightened experience or understanding of scripture, if that indeed exists?

This is a good question indeed, and also one I have asked myself. If the comparison is to non Christians then perhaps the answer is easier because the recompense of faith in Christ is primarily neither tangible nor temporal. We not only live but also die if need be for the cause of the gospel.

If comparison is made to other Christians, I think we are all called to be true to our conscience and our intellect, but I would not assume all others are ouside the body of Christ. Personally, I would start with the assumption that there will be some different conclusions on doctrinal views and practical applications of Christian living on this side of heaven. We are flawed and will continue to be so. Our rallying cry must be the cross of Christ and his perfection. I will lean heavy on that, and be much less dogmatic on all else.

ILG · #42 07-11-2012, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

This is a good question indeed, and also one I have asked myself. If the comparison is to non Christians then perhaps the answer is easier because the recompense of faith in Christ is primarily neither tangible nor temporal. We not only live but also die if need be for the cause of the gospel.

If comparison is made to other Christians, I think we are all called to be true to our conscience and our intellect, but I would not assume all others are ouside the body of Christ. Personally, I would start with the assumption that there will be some different conclusions on doctrinal views and practical applications of Christian living on this side of heaven. We are flawed and will continue to be so. Our rallying cry must be the cross of Christ and his perfection. I will lean heavy on that, and be much less dogmatic on all else.

Very good answer.

Hoovie · #43 07-11-2012, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

It's been tried. When being cordial and respective they still rip into you. You're bitter, disillusional, backslid. Hard to find intellectual honesty on their side.

"They", "their"?

It's not true. When I done this?

AreYouReady? · #44 07-11-2012, 12:29 PM

Christians of all denominations have long claimed to have the "truth".

Heh. Even the Catholic Church says so about Pentecostals. They claim to be the true "Apostolic Church".

Consider what the Pope said in a statement about Protestant Churches:

The new document said Vatican II "neither changed nor intended to change" the teaching that the "one Church of Christ ... subsists in the Catholic Church" alone. Other Christian denominations, it argues, can also be "instruments of salvation," but "suffer from defects" insofar as they depart from Catholicism.

Eastern Orthodox churches, though lacking communion with Rome, nonetheless deserve the term "Church" because their priests follow in the succession of bishops and priests that started in the early church, the document explains.

Protestant denominations, however, "because of the absence of the sacramental priesthood, have not preserved the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic Mystery," and are therefore to be termed mere "Christian Communities."

http://www.ucc.org/news/pope-says-protestants-not.html

So..I guess I am wondering why the leadership of any church is going to quibble over independent thought, ideas and convictions if those things are a result of sincere prayer from scripture reading on the independent person's heart?

Cindy · #45 07-11-2012, 12:30 PM

I didn't know there was any trouble.

The Lemon · #46 07-12-2012, 06:57 AM

When there are individual issues or even doctrinal issues between different denominations in Christendom, most times folks stick to what they know or were taught in large part because of two elements...fear and perception.

I believe sincere people who really do love God and try to live the best they can do get concerned from time to time with some fringe doctrines for example, but in the end the genuwine fear of the Lord and wanting to please Him and be right usually takes over and they either go along with the flow of what is taught, or at least compartmentalize the issue(s).

There is a great amount of safety and security within any given fellowship. When folks challenge the system they begin to loose that rock solid feeling of security and most times that is enough to scare them back to what they were taught. I don't mean to ramble, but the bottom line is that we all need to weigh out our walk with God in light of our questions and perhaps disagreements with leadership at times. In the end we all must ask ourselves if the stand we are thinking of taking is worth what we will have to pay.

I do not advocate going along with any leader who promotes sin or any such thing...but some issues that we tend to fuss over are small in the grand scheme of things and are usually only magnified in our own sight...

tv1a · #47 07-12-2012, 07:14 AM

I don't think you feel your definition of apostolic has no flexibilty for interpretation. If I'm wrong let me know.

We are not called to be apostolics. Christ mandated to follow Him. Paul says to follow him as he follows Christ. Most apostolics can't even follow Paul let alone Christ.

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

"They", "their"?

It's not true. When I done this?

StillStanding · #48 07-12-2012, 07:29 AM

This fuss over who the true "Apostolics" are, makes me smile!

endtimer · #49 07-12-2012, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

This fuss over who the true "Apostolics" are, makes me smile!

Im guessing that is the whole point of the thread, to stir the pot. The original poster has yet to respond to the various opinions that he or she has provoked. Given the nature of the original post, I doubt he or she would have any thing positive or constructive to add any way. Troll behavior in my opinion. Good responses, no doubt this dude carries a wide brush. As a person who paints occasionally, I can tell you the wider the brush, the clumsier the artist can be. Pretty sloppy portrait of the apostolic movement this person painted.

Nitehawk013 · #50 07-12-2012, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by endtimer

Im guessing that is the whole point of the thread, to stir the pot. The original poster has yet to respond to the various opinions that he or she has provoked. Given the nature of the original post, I doubt he or she would have any thing positive or constructive to add any way. Troll behavior in my opinion. Good responses, no doubt this dude carries a wide brush. As a person who paints occasionally, I can tell you the wider the brush, the clumsier the artist can be. Pretty sloppy portrait of the apostolic movement this person painted.

Yeah that is pretty much the norm around here.