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07-18-2012, 04:49 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
ILG, you are right! These people are not bitter, like so many people get. They are just very hurt and confused. I think ,from what I hear from them, is that they are even stronger in their faith. I have seen so many in situations similiar to this, start going to othr denominal churchs or quit completely. Not so with these people!! They are very strong and courageous people who have been wronged and are trying to deal with it the best they can.
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07-18-2012, 04:58 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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ILG, you are right! These people are not bitter, like so many people get. They are just very hurt and confused. I think ,from what I hear from them, is that they are even stronger in their faith. I have seen so many in situations similiar to this, start going to othr denominal churchs or quit completely. Not so with these people!! They are very strong and courageous people who have been wronged and are trying to deal with it the best they can.
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 We must remember that these are people who stayed faithful to God and this church even when the bishop was in poor health with dementia. They did not abandon and look elsewhere when things got "awkward". These are precious saints that ANY church would be proud to have!
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07-18-2012, 05:06 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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I would just like to say how glad I am that there have been so few posts telling members, past members and others to "quit whining, stop gossiping, you are bitter, you are backslid" yada yada yada. These issues need to be discussed because it seems that the only thing that stops abuse is exposure.
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Now who would do something like that?
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07-18-2012, 05:08 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
A quick word about the former pastor's two sons:
I have heard nothing but great things about these men of God! They have been extremely cordial and have empathized with the saint's struggle. They are two of the kindest men you'll find anywhere! It's too bad that they were powerless to do anything for the people of that church.
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07-18-2012, 06:37 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Well.... A A A A A C T U A L L Y... the IRS is a private corporation registered in the US Virgin Islands and isn't even lawfully a governmental entity... buuuuut... we'll just let that one slide on by...
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Yeah. There is a lot of controversy surrounding that one...but like you say, we'll just let that one slide on by.
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The IRS does not make rules and regulations regarding churches, period. the IRS in their publication for churches states so. The courts have routinely held that government is prohibited by the 1st Amendment from even defining what a church is or is not.
A CORPORATION, on the other hand, and ESPECIALLY a 501(c)3 Corporation, are a whole nuther ball of wax. THOSe things are created by the state or federal government upon application with the state or federal Secretary of State. And as creations of the civil government, are subject to whatsoever 'reasonable and prudent' rules and regulations the government comes up with.
Churches are outside the jurisidiction of federal or state control as far as finances go.
Personal incomes, by the way, are a separate issue. (The Tax Man cometh!)
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So...are you saying that churches may have been tricked into designating and applying for a 501 c 3 tax exempt status, thus making them a corporation that has to abide by the rules set forth by the IRS?
Tell me that is not true!
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07-18-2012, 06:40 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Now who would do something like that?
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My, I dunno. 
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07-18-2012, 08:56 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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I would just like to say how glad I am that there have been so few posts telling members, past members and others to "quit whining, stop gossiping, you are bitter, you are backslid" yada yada yada. These issues need to be discussed because it seems that the only thing that stops abuse is exposure.
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Naw, we won't tell them they are bitter and need to move on unless years later they are not going to church because of this horrible thing that happened in 2012.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-18-2012, 09:18 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Naw, we won't tell them they are bitter and need to move on unless years later they are not going to church because of this horrible thing that happened in 2012.
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Ya, give it 25-30 years and then only if they were involved in this whole mess as a teen, and if the parents of the teen were telling him/her to bow to the will of the daughter because she was God's Anointed.
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07-19-2012, 03:18 AM
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Isaiah 56:4-5
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Naw, we won't tell them they are bitter and need to move on unless years later they are not going to church because of this horrible thing that happened in 2012.
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You ain't gonna let it go, are you?
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07-19-2012, 03:19 AM
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Isaiah 56:4-5
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Ya, give it 25-30 years and then only if they were involved in this whole mess as a teen, and if the parents of the teen were telling him/her to bow to the will of the daughter because she was God's Anointed.
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good grief
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