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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
This is a concept of men straight and simple. If the concept does not agree with the rest of the body of teaching throw it out. Like this one you hold to.
Protect yourself and those who hear you. True doctrine will fit together as pieces of a puzzle. All of the scriptures are true. Study all scripture on a given topic. Not just part. Peace, Michael
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i understand you believe in your works based religion thats nothing new, but look what you said
true doctrine will fit together as peices of the puzzle,
My advice stop looking at the peices of the puzzle and look at the whole picture.
i made a very vaild points to everything you said, If i focus on the peices alone i will never see the picture.
the whole picture is redemption. Not based on my works,
you was saved by grace and that was not of your self, and now you think you can keep yourself saved? That isnt grace at all that is mike trying to save himself by works.
The bible does not teach that. what the bible does teach is works will be birthed by the Spirit in the believer. Again all christians should want to please God, i wont agrue that, but if your living in fear that your not counted as worthy, then you lack faith. that is not liberty in Christ, Paul declares there is now no condemnation to those in Christ who walk after the Spirit.
Even those who walk after the Spirit stumble, Paul, peter, just to name 2 of them yet none of them declared that they was going to get to heaven by any of their works. No they declared Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
I do believe we are saved to serve, but the service is not for acceptance but again like romans ch 4 declares out of debt.
God again will never love you more than He does Now, that is not doctrine of men, Mike God loved me while i was a dirty rotten sinner, He loved me so much that he sent his only begotten son to die for a wretched man like me. That love is beyond us to even compare, but your telling me after he deposits the Spirit unto the day of redemption in you. Gives you a Spirit of adoption, that He will now love you less. mike thats just rubbish...