Different OP Organizations

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Sam

I had forgotten about the True Jesus Church

There is a listing of OP churches at
http://www.apostolic-churches.com/organizations.html

They do not list the Churches of Jesus Christ International with which I am ordained and they only list one Church of Jesus Christ which is a local church in Tennessee, although there are several organizations which use that name.

And here is a list of Sabbitarian Apostolic Churches and Fellowships

http://seventhdayapostolic.org/links/saplinks.html

[Steve Epley]

The late Bishop R. C. Lawson(a comrade of Bishop Haywood) left the PAW over divorce & Remarriage & women pastors. He had a large work in Columbus, Oh but went to NYC and built a large congregation and started his own group called "The Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ" Refuge Temple is the headquarters church and Bishop Bonner is the preciding bishop.
Out of that group came two prominent preachers that started their own groups:
Bishop S. C. Johnson who built a large church in Phillidelphia, Pa. and had congregations around the world and was on worldwide radio nightly for years. His group was "The Church of the Lord Jesus Christ of the Apostolic Faith."
Bishop Smallwood Williams built a large church in Washington D.C. and formed his own group called "The Bibleway Churches of the Lord Jesus Christ."
There are many splits out of all three groups which have their own organizations.
Also the PAW had a split after Bishop Haywood died and the late Bishop Samuel Hancock formed a group called "The Pentecostal Churches of the Apostolic Faith."
There are so many Oneness groups maybe in time I will list some more.

[BroJoe]

Over in California we have the Apostolic Assemblies (or AA). In fact, if you go to Christian Life College in Stockton, most of the students there are AA. We fellowship a lot with AA because of our location. California has a very high Hispanic population.

Here is their website.

http://www.apostolicassembly.org/index.aspx

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The late Bishop R. C. Lawson(a comrade of Bishop Haywood) left the PAW over divorce & Remarriage & women pastors. He had a large work in Columbus, Oh but went to NYC and built a large congregation and started his own group called "The Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ" Refuge Temple is the headquarters church and Bishop Bonner is the preciding bishop.
Out of that group came two prominent preachers that started their own groups:
Bishop S. C. Johnson who built a large church in Phillidelphia, Pa. and had congregations around the world and was on worldwide radio nightly for years. His group was "The Church of the Lord Jesus Christ of the Apostolic Faith."
Bishop Smallwood Williams built a large church in Washington D.C. and formed his own group called "The Bibleway Churches of the Lord Jesus Christ."
There are many splits out of all three groups which have their own organizations.
Also the PAW had a split after Bishop Haywood died and the late Bishop Samuel Hancock formed a group called "The Pentecostal Churches of the Apostolic Faith."
There are so many Oneness groups maybe in time I will list some more.

I loved listening to SC Johnson.

Didn't Gino Jennings come out of that group, too?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I loved listening to SC Johnson.

Didn't Gino Jennings come out of that group, too?

He sounds like Johnson but really I don't know what group he came out of?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Sam, is the COJCI that you are ordained through one of the COJC groups that refuse to say 'Jesus' without saying 'Christ' as well?...

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I don't know how strong different ministers in the CoJCI are when it comes to always saying "Jesus Christ" instead of "Lord Jesus Christ" or "Lord Jesus" or "Jesus." On the home page of our web site it says:

Welcome to the Churches of Jesus Christ

His name is the only name given among men whereby we must be saved. Though there be many that are called gods, to us, there is but one God and His name is JESUS. Howbeit, every man has not this knowledge.
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I know there are ministers who insist that God's name for this dispensation is "Jesus Christ" nothing more and nothing less. Bishop Trull is very strong on this and since he is the one who created that organization I assume all his ministers are that way too. I know some ministers think that if you say "Lord Jesus Christ" you may as well say "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost." Some compare it to the American custom of a given name and a family name where we inherit the family name but are given a name at birth. My family name is Ellis. I inherited it. My given name is James. So my full name would be James Ellis. Also some teach that Jesus Christ is God and man in one person, and that He is named Jesus as a human and is named Christ as God. I don't see it that way.

I personally believe God's saving name is Jesus (in English) or Iesous in Greek, or Yeshua or Y'hoshua in Hebrew. It is the same as the English Joshua. It means YHWH-Savior or YHWH is salvation. About 1 in every 5 Jewish males in the first century was named that. in our KJV New Testament, Joshua the successor of Moses is called Jesus in Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8. There is a sorceror named Bar-Jesus in Acts 13:6 and a Christian minister named Jesus and also called Justus in Colossians 4:11. Therefore I prefer to say "Jesus Christ" for clarity although I am sure that if someone speaks out the name "Jesus" God will know who he means and will respond. There can be many named Jesus but only on Jesus who is the Christ/Messiah. I don't really like to say "Lord Jesus Christ" because then you have to use the word "the" in front of it i.e. "in the name of Jesus Christ" vs. "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ." However, in my opinion, water baptism would be valid whether or not the titles "Lord" and/or "Christ" were used.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by houston

That wasn't mutual.

When you say "that wasn't mutual," what do you mean?
Who disfellowshipped whom first? Is that like a guy and girl who break up and each claims they dropped the other?

[KeptByTheWord]

I have just begun reading a book on the Holiness-Pentecostal movement written by Vinson Synan.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0802841031/...2T1_SC_3p_dp_1

There is a lot of history and documentation presented that the present holiness movements, really were begun by John Wesley and the Methodists. It also states that Brigham Young (one of the original Mormon leaders) spoke in tongues.... it is quite an interesting book. Not much mention is made of the UPC, but one small heading in one of the chapters. He interviewed Nathaniel Urshan for this book.

Seems like there are HUNDREDS of Pentecostal movements that have sprung up everywhere.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Sam

When you say "that wasn't mutual," what do you mean?
Who disfellowshipped whom first? Is that like a guy and girl who break up and each claims they dropped the other?

The UPCI passed a resolution stating that they will not give ministerial license to those embracing docetism. Tek and ACE divorced the UPCI BEFORE the UPC could make the first move.