My Story

[BroJoe]

By the way, navy, my comment regarding the rabbit hole, if you read it in context, was directed toward the AOG organization in regards to stance on doctrine and the godhead...

I'm sorry for your experience. Seems like this kind of stuff is happening more and more in our circles.

Horrible.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by BroJoe

Got this off wiki and it pretty much sums up trinitarians

"The Christian doctrine of the Trinity defines God as three divine persons (Greek: ὑποστάσεις):[1] the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The three persons are distinct yet coexist in unity, and are co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial"

I, as a oneness apostolic pentecostal, do not believe in three co-equal, co-eternal beings. It's not even supported in Scripture.

One God, His name is Jesus Christ.

Sorry Joe, but Wiki is not a reliable source. I do not think that most people think of God in the terms of being three separate and distinct persons. Not even with the same definition in their own declarations of faith do I think most people believe that.

I do however, think that if any of the leadership who say that they do not believe in three Gods have any guts, they would ditch that definition and redefine what they think God is.

I think a lot of man's theology is deliberate to confuse people.

God is a Spirit. The Holy Ghost is a Spirit and Jesus is incarnate and I don't know any "trinitarian" who will dispute that.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by BroJoe

This is true. It's amazing what a few hundred miles do. I'm currently in the Western District of the UPCI and we are about as conservative as it gets. Take a trip down a few hours and you get cut hair, make-up, and light shows in the sanctuary.

I find that his experience to be a very unique one considering how "progressive" and liberal upc churches are down there.

I know a pastor in your district that is very good friends with my old pastor and they are cut from the same cloth. Both raised in the faith by some very old school "my way or your going to hell" types.

[BroJoe]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

I know a pastor in your district that is very good friends with my old pastor and they are cut from the same cloth. Both raised in the faith by some very old school "my way or your going to hell" types.

I believe it.

[HolyFire]

Originally Posted by BroJoe

By the way, navy, my comment regarding the rabbit hole, if you read it in context, was directed toward the AOG organization in regards to stance on doctrine and the godhead...

I'm sorry for your experience. Seems like this kind of stuff is happening more and more in our circles.

Horrible.

I'm a conservative UPC'er, but I have to say it's went on for a long time. With the advent of the Net it's coming out more and more. I've just been lucky that I haven't been pastored by such people. Shepards are supposed to trim the sheep, not skin them. You skin them they can't grow hair.

[BroJoe]

Originally Posted by HolyFire

I'm a conservative UPC'er, but I have to say it's went on for a long time. With the advent of the Net it's coming out more and more. I've just been lucky that I haven't been pastored by such people. Shepards are supposed to trim the sheep, not skin them. You skin them they can't grow hair.

Exactly! I'm very fortunate to have the Pastor that I have now.

The dude can pull me in the office, chastise me, correct me and rebuke me on things, yet still make me feel like a million bucks when I walk outta there.

The man is a Pastoral genius in my opinion.

[navygoat1998]

I served 25 years in the US Navy and have been a man in authority and a man under authority so get being corrected or rebuked I understand and to me that shows concern for my soul but the trying to control someone is not cool or biblical. Just because your first name is Pastor.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by HolyFire

I'm a conservative UPC'er, but I have to say it's went on for a long time. With the advent of the Net it's coming out more and more. I've just been lucky that I haven't been pastored by such people. Shepards are supposed to trim the sheep, not skin them. You skin them they can't grow hair.

I believe many people who believe the doctrine would go back if they weren't already "skinned" and filleted.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by BroJoe

Exactly! I'm very fortunate to have the Pastor that I have now.

The dude can pull me in the office, chastise me, correct me and rebuke me on things, yet still make me feel like a million bucks when I walk outta there.

The man is a Pastoral genius in my opinion.

Yes, you are fortunate. Very fortunate.

Be careful though. God may call your pastor to a different location...maybe even into missions. You may get another pastor that is not as kind or has as much charisma as he.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

I believe many people who believe the doctrine would go back if they weren't already "skinned" and filleted.

When I left It was not because I got this devine revelation of the "truth" I really thought God hated me and that He was a hard taskmaster who was only waiting for me to commit the just right sin so that He turn me into burnt ash. It was with some very loving pastors who cared more about being my friend and loving me than screaming at me over the pulpit. They started showing me the love of God expressed. It was then that I started to belive again that He does love me.

Some pastors act as if they won't have to give an account. I often think that my old pastor thinks that he will stand next to Jesus with his around the shoulder of God while he fills in Jesus about me or that he will be in the special preacher room when he has to give account. We both will be on our face giving an account.