It has been said that my post #1-28 is "90% wrong", that is simply not so. Everything that I have posted is backed up by fact and can be confirmed by way of the Bishop in MI, the son in CO, the son in the suburbs. If you dont care to confirm this maybe you don't want to know the truth. I would like to add, however, that we are on the same side. It is not us that should be fighting; we are fighting them (the daughter and the boyfriend). I have not done you wrong, they have done you wrong.
29) Just because you know what took place in the meetings at the church does not mean that you know what happened behind the scenes.
30) The previous point I made in #24 has been called into question. So let me offer a little proof. If you had been at GR longer than 20 years you would know the circumstances in this fellow leaving the church the first time. This fellow has attended the church previously but left under very, very bad circumstances. He wants to pastor so bad that he cant hardly stand it. But just because he "wants to " doesnt mean he "should". If you dont believe this you can call his former pastor in Rosemark. People may not like this point but the truth is the truth.
31.) As to the son in the suburbs, he took a most public stance when he was behind the churches pulpit at the Bishop's funeral. He prayed and I quote that the church and church family would be protected from the "ravenous wolves that would come against them". This was said for all to hear. The leaders of the ALJC and the UPC were on the platform and over 700 other people were present to witness this point.
I would like to thank the creator of this thread and the different church people that have contributed to this thread. The light must shine so darkness cannot exist.
as to #31 I'm not sure he was talking about Bro. DF or Sis. KK maybe he was talking about all those Preachers who came visiting thinking they might fill a vacated position. Who knows? He sure didn't tell me any names of anyone. Did he tell you?
I don't want to fight with anyone. Do you attend GR and if not when was the last time you were there besides for the Bishops funeral? I attend every Sunday.
I have one more question how do you know so much about what goes on behind the scenes are you kin to them?
I have asked why he left Rosemark, would you care to enlighten me? Nobody else will. Also, enlighten me about the bad situation when he left GR. You can leave a private message to do this if you prefer. Also in #24 you said there was 2 men, but, you now only mention one.
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I have to break my vow of silence to address this! (CC1 will be thrilled! )
I know for a fact that sons were calling and encouraging the disenfranchised saints of that church. They were powerless, and were hoping that a tentative preacher friend would come to head the transition to a new pastor. When that didn't happen, they were out of trump cards. Its as simple as that!
Place blame only on those who deserve blame!
Ok, I'm out!
I knew you wouldn't be able to hold out!!!!
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
I have to break my vow of silence to address this! (CC1 will be thrilled! )
I know for a fact that sons were calling and encouraging the disenfranchised saints of that church. They were powerless, and were hoping that a tentative preacher friend would come to head the transition to a new pastor. When that didn't happen, they were out of trump cards. Its as simple as that!
Here is another song that reminds me of the UPC that I am going to learn to sing and play. (I just got to song and play somewhere recently! Woohoo! Yeah, it wasn't in a church it was at a lakeside gathering. )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTTjLxXFg0k
P.S. There is one swear word in this song (that the Bible also uses).
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The son never preached at GR church during this ordeal. You are correct that a visiting preacher did preach and say some things like you mentioned, but it wasn't the son.
Yes, he did preach during that time. He even had requested that everyone
that has attended there to be there. I think everyone went expecting for him to take up for the long timers, but he didn't. He even gave $1000, he said to keep the lights on.
Yes, he did preach during that time. He even had requested that everyone
that has attended there to be there. I think everyone went expecting for him to take up for the long timers, but he didn't. He even gave $1000, he said to keep the lights on.
I did not know this. I was wrong! Sorry!
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At least you are 98% right, most of the time! The preacher (Bro DC from OB) that preached sunday at Grey Rd, didn't know what he was preaching about. He talked about the apostolic forum is nothing but gossip!! So who does he listen to? I know he dosn't listen to the women!! He thinks they talk to much! He read some rules after sunday school one day (and he dosn't even attend there), that the women were not allowed to gossip or have any meeting outside church!! WHAT?? Yes, that's right. Ask anyone there! I don't believe he respects women, esp older women. I don't know why he preached that kind of sermon to 20 people and some of them visitors!
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