A Wrecked Church! - Page 68

ILG · #**671** 08-15-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rapture 1

WOW!!! I wish I had of known!!!

Maybe you could delete it! LOL!

HeavenBound · #**672** 08-15-2012, 03:42 PM

HeavenBound · #**673** 08-15-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kingsmen

I see there is some talk about a "mole" or two. The two people that are considered "moles", both of them had their own agendas. The first 'mole', the one that spent time in federal prison, he seems to be a "true mole" in that he was relaying information back and forth. You will note that he has not even left the church nor was he given a certified letter to leave the church. You must ask yourself a question...how could a person be so close to the people that have left yet he chose to stay when they chose to leave? And the "daughter" did not force him to leave??
As for the second "mole", he has been in this for himself the whole time. He does not work for the daughter and does not work for the people or their best interest. He has had his own personal motivation the whole time. For example, after the election where the "boyfriend" was voted down, he (the mole) was supposed to call for a vote against the "daughter" immediately but he chose not to do this because if he did and she were voted out the "bishop from Michigan" would have immediately come in and taken control. He did not want the bishop to come in because he wanted to be the pastor of the people. Next example, when the people wanted to retain an attorney he rose up against that, again because he has his own motivations. This mole knew if they got an attorney and won he might not remain in power. He wants to pastor badly, at any cost. Mark my word, it won't be two long before he has his brother in there prophesying over people. (Side note: his brother has been divorced and has never been faithful to any church, he is a prolific church-hopper. He is not qualified to prophesy over anybody. No respectable church would have him in their pulpit.)
If the "people that left the church" knew the real circumstances and were aware of these examples, they would not follow this man.

Shame on you for talking about a good man of God,so he went to prison (so did a lot of the apostle's Peter, Paul, John are a few that come to mind). He and his wife are waiting for God to take care of the situation,I and my husband are waiting also. We still believe in a God who performs miracles. We prayed and until we feel God wants us in a different place this is where we will stay. "God has a perfect plan for us. He never does it all at once, just step by step because he wants to teach us to walk by Faith not by sight".

You sound very bitter , I know how easy it is to slip into a bitter frame of mind over this, I had to do a lot of praying and soul searching today because I was headed that way. I want to say I apologize if I offended anyone with any of these posts, and ask for forgiveness, especially from the Hayse family. I was speaking from anger that we weren't in agreement over how some things should be dealt with and lashed out when I should have been praying.

CC1 · #**674** 08-15-2012, 04:59 PM

Oh heavens, now this thread has degenerated into battling posts between the leavers and the stayers!

Both sides need to just hush up and be happy with their decision about what to do.

If you want to nitpick each other about details of what is going on then just PM each other. No need to share it with the world on a public forum.

I am sure we have all already formed our opinions based on the information published. I know I have. In my case my opinion is that anybody who would stay after the kind of manipulation the church leadership has shown is out of their mind.

ILG · #**675** 08-15-2012, 06:39 PM

Yes as much as I am for allowing people to emote....discussion between members who disagree should be private IMO....the forum should be for emoting and getting some support or figuring out where you stand etc. But battles between members, I don't think should be public. Just my two cents....

StillStanding · #**676** 08-15-2012, 06:58 PM

My view from the bleachers:
Many of the ones that left are at the beginning stages of accepting things and moving on in another direction. I do believe they would probably all return to GR if things were to change soon!

The ones who are sticking around and hoping for a miracle aren't happy with those who abandoned GR. They feel that they are taking the high moral and spiritual ground by waiting for God to make the crooked way straight.

All if these folks are good people. They all agree with the solution, but disagree on how and when to hold on or let go. I just don't like to see them turn on each other. Let's keep the main thing the main thing!

CC1 · #**677** 08-15-2012, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by StillStanding

My view from the bleachers:
Many of the ones that left are at the beginning stages of accepting things and moving on in another direction. I do believe they would probably all return to GR if things were to change soon!

The ones who are sticking around and hoping for a miracle aren't happy with those who abandoned GR. They feel that they are taking the high moral and spiritual ground by waiting for God to make the crooked way straight.

All if these folks are good people. They all agree with the solution, but disagree on how and when to hold on or let go. I just don't like to see them turn on each other. Let's keep the main thing the main thing!

Those sticking around hoping for a miracle will probably have better look finding a pony at the bottom of a pile......... The bottom line is that the two people creating this nightmare through control and manipulation are not going to suddenly see the error of their ways, repent, and become good upstanding citizens with the best interest of the church in mind. To hang around for that is people deluding themselves I am sad to say. Hopefully if they don't see their "miracle" in a reasonable amount of time they will remove themselves from this mess.

AreYouReady? · #**678** 08-15-2012, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009

The term is essentially meaningless.
People are people.

Quite true. I see no difference, as a whole in people as far as tolerance, love, hate, indifference, zeal for their beliefs etc.

As I look a little deeper into the pool of humans, I can find loving, kind Christians, but they are not all "Apostolic". I've met some people who genuinely love Christ and live their life for Him....and they are not "apostolic".

AreYouReady? · #**679** 08-15-2012, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

Oh heavens, now this thread has degenerated into battling posts between the leavers and the stayers!

Both sides need to just hush up and be happy with their decision about what to do.

If you want to nitpick each other about details of what is going on then just PM each other. No need to share it with the world on a public forum.

I am sure we have all already formed our opinions based on the information published. I know I have. In my case my opinion is that anybody who would stay after the kind of manipulation the church leadership has shown is out of their mind.

Rapture 1 · #**680** 08-16-2012, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Quite true. I see no difference, as a whole in people as far as tolerance, love, hate, indifference, zeal for their beliefs etc.

As I look a little deeper into the pool of humans, I can find loving, kind Christians, but they are not all "Apostolic". I've met some people who genuinely love Christ and live their life for Him....and they are not "apostolic".

When I use the name "apostolic" I'm referring to the apostles doctrine, according to the book of Acts, not the name of a church. And, you are right about people as a whole. I'm amazed a lot of times at the loving, kind people who don't even go to a church, and then I look at some who do and their mean hateful attitude. It does make you stop and think!