Bernard continues his rewrite of UPC history - Page 3

Sam · #21 08-17-2012, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by houston

How did things hold up under the leadership of Urshan? Was it similar to Price's leadership of the Western District?

I never heard a bad word against Urshan. Haney was a different story.

In the WD I didn't hear a word against Price. After Price was out of office the holy sanctified ministers FILLED with God's Spirit drew blood.

I am not part of the UPC.
I was baptized in water (October 27, 1955) and in the Spirit (May 20, 1956) in UPC churches; went to one year of a UPC Bible School (1956 - 1957); and attended UPC churches in Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Ohio from 1955 until 1963 or 1964. I was never licensed or ordained in the UPC.

I really don't know anything about the morality or integrity of Brother Urshan or Brother Price.

Pressing-On · #22 08-17-2012, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Max Cosme

The final one is the best example of Bernard's shoddy methodology. He borrows a quote from an Ellis Scism book where Scism says a "minority" held that view. Bernard then takes the liberty to decide that Scism would only make this observation if it was "PROBABLY" about 1/3 to 1/4 of the PCI.

This type of statistical methodology would be laughed at by any serious scholar.

Hey, DA!

houston · #23 08-17-2012, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Hey, DA!

Really?

Pressing-On · #24 08-17-2012, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by houston

Really?

Just surmising.

houston · #25 08-17-2012, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Just surmising.

Riiiight

Aquila · #26 08-17-2012, 08:00 AM

Religion will not stop at any deceiption or injustice to justify it's existence.

Steve Epley · #27 08-17-2012, 08:07 AM

I have no desire to impugn Elder Bernard but trying to rewrite their history to fit this equation is like the Southern guys saying the Civil War was not about slavery. Nearly half of the first general board did not believe the ew birth message. Goss was very vocal about it and Morgan was a silent as a tombstone on the issue in public. Stair-McNatt-Gurley-Hansford-the Yadon clan-Greer-Reed-Brown-Kidson-were all PCI that did not believe the new birth message. Nearly the entire Atlantic District and the Northwest did not believe the new birth message. North Ms., West Tn, East Ark, Southeast Mo., large pockets of Ill and Ohio did not believe the new birth message. He is relying on most guys who knows are dead or dying. I never joined the UPC for this very reason.

ILG · #28 08-17-2012, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

"My book documents that at UPCI merger 8/9s, or 89% held acts 2:38 to be essential to salvation." - DKB

Wonder what his need to assert facts that are deliberately skewed stems from? Perhaps Fudge's book?

That is blatantly false.

rgcraig · #29 08-17-2012, 08:39 AM

Bro. Greer's nephew was my pastor as a child and lives in Memphis. If anyone is really interested, he might be up to a phone call to give a few facts as he knows them.

I know my former husband interviewed him for a paper while we were in JCM - - wish I had it because I know a lot of you would really enjoying reading the research that he did on the merger.

Steve Epley · #30 08-17-2012, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

Bro. Greer's nephew was my pastor as a child and lives in Memphis. If anyone is really interested, he might be up to a phone call to give a few facts as he knows them.

I know my former husband interviewed him for a paper while we were in JCM - - wish I had it because I know a lot of you would really enjoying reading the research that he did on the merger.

Gurley was the spiritual father of all these guys. The Western Tennesee, North Mississippi, Northeast Ark, Southeast Mo was heavily influenced by him.
Greer-Hansford-McNatt-Reed-Brown all prominent men in that area and none of them believed the new birth message. It is amazing anyone would have the nerve to try to spread this?