Bernard continues his rewrite of UPC history

[AreYouReady?]

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In was "in part" slavery indeed. Unfortunately, it was a small part in the minds of the leaders of that day. They did not give a care about the slaves. Their only concern was to destroy the economics of the South and they used the degree to "free the slaves" to do that. Then they came down here and restructured the south. Propaganda is older than slavery itself in this country.

But...it does not "diminish" the awfulness of slavery, I agree... nor does it diminish the terrible prejudice of the black race by many people that permeates today. Cracks made about Obama's ethnicity by some is still derogatory here --today-- in 2012.

I agree that slavery, both black and white should have never been allowed in this country. But the leaders did allow it...what's more, they used the bible to justify it.

They said all men are created equal in our Declaration of Independence, then some went about declaring a black man to be just so much of a percentage of human.



But the war was NOT about stopping the awful practice of slavery. The propagandists used the black race as yet another pawn to hide the actual reason for the war. They had to in order to keep their agenda quiet lest the people of that day threw out those working to further advance that agenda.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

See, I think that over simplifies it, and sort of diminishes the awefulness of slavery. It was IN PART about slavery.

I let the first one pass, and the second, I can't do it...ahhh

As awful as slavery was, Lincoln himself didn't care as much about slavery as he did about saving the Union.

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union."

Abe Lincoln

The economic policies of taxing the south and building up the North with those tax $ to the exclusion of the south was a major issue.

Slavery was on its way out, importation had already been outlawed and the pressure within the states was beginning to mount.

Grant was a slave owner, while Stonewall Jackson violated the law to teach slave children to read and write under the guise of religious classes.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

I let the first one pass, and the second, I can't do it...ahhh

As awful as slavery was, Lincoln himself didn't care as much about slavery as he did about saving the Union.

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union."

Abe Lincoln

The economic policies of taxing the south and building up the North with those tax $ to the exclusion of the south was a major issue.

Slavery was on its way out, importation had already been outlawed and the pressure within the states was beginning to mount.

Grant was a slave owner, while Stonewall Jackson violated the law to teach slave children to read and write under the guise of religious classes.

And more...

[Baron1710]

Back to the point of this thread...

What is the motivation of DKB to skew history like this, there is no way he can honestly believe that these statements are true.

[AreYouReady?]

Self importance?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Back to the point of this thread...

What is the motivation of DKB to skew history like this, there is no way he can honestly believe that these statements are true.

Well, that's harsher than I would say it, but I do believe he has a vested interest in preserving and promoting a systematic "three step" theology.

A unified voice is usually stronger voice, and if you have written extensively on the matter and are spearheading an organization, and their newly formed graduate school, it makes sense that one hopes divergent views are given minimal credibility.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Self importance?

No.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

No.

Heh.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Agreed. And even today, when Water and Spirit is nuanced as two parts of one new birth, there is great hesitation to denounce nor embrace the spiritual standing of 98% of Christianity. Why? The truth of the matter is that many (I believe most) of today's UPC constituency has by default embraced a form of the Light Doctrine.

I think that's always been the case, Hoovemeister. I'm thinking of S.G. Norris's views on the matter - views that have been propagated greatly by his student Lee Stoneking over the past few decades.

The move to become "harder" on doctrine seems to have been more politically motivated; and here I'm thinking of T.F. Tenney's famous interjaculation questioning whether the UPC FM department was baptizing in Jesus' name and the surrounding uproar. That move really kicked TFT's career into high gear.

Though, as has been argued for years on these pages, the vast, vast majority of OP's have been and probably always will be "One Steppers" at heart - to deny that plain fact will get you appointed to positions of honor and help fill your speaking calendar.

It's a puzzling part of the OP culture - and almost certainly has parallels in other subcultures as well - if not the entire human race.

Even Steve-a-rino (he of hat fame) has admitted that he can't judge the destinies of human souls. DKB and others of his mindset appear to want to ignore this fact (that they employ practical variants of the "Light Doctrine") and hammer out sterner creeds demanding that all dance the "Three Step" or perish.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

And more...

It was a complex cultural war as well. The anti-slavery issue was an important tool for the new Republican Party to use to rally their "base" - though it was also an important economic issue for their predecessors (the Whigs) especially in the border states and Mid-South.