Commanded to Speak in Tongues?

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Too me it does not make any since to say anywhere else besides Pentecost was tongues not understood, the day tongues where spoken and everyone understood it, is the way it happened through the rest of the time tongues were present. To say that tongues is not an understood language by listeners is not biblical,cause the bible says no such thing, except in the book of Corith then if you are speaking in tongues "between you and god" as scripture states I should not hear you,just as the bible states.

That's what I'm reading. However, I completely understand
the reluctance for a new believer especially to compare some church they
feel good about with the Corinthians; but this is not a new problem, and Paul spoke well about it. It is a sideshow.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Too me it does not make any since to say anywhere else besides Pentecost was tongues not understood, the day tongues where spoken and everyone understood it, is the way it happened through the rest of the time tongues were present. To say that tongues is not an understood language by listeners is not biblical,cause the bible says no such thing, except in the book of Corith then if you are speaking in tongues "between you and god" as scripture states I should not hear you,just as the bible states.

That's where you miss it..."between you and God" does NOT AUTOMATICALLY translate to people nearby not hearing the speaker.

If I came into your church and I began praying in an African dialect, are you gonna stop me from praying just because you don't understand what I'm saying? You would have no idea whether I am speaking in tongues or not.

You should be focused on God during a service and not listening in on the person nearby.

The whole point of 1 Cor 14 is not to forbid tongues in a service, but that it should be done in order.

[deafdriscoll]

It is a gift from God and is your choice to receive it.

[Michael Phelps]

What did Paul mean when he said "Not all speak with tongues" and he wished that all WOULD speak in tongues?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

What did Paul mean when he said "Not all speak with tongues" and he wished that all WOULD speak in tongues?

Wasn't he addressing the Corinth church that he'd rather them speak with the physical tongue (their language) and not babble as some did when they worshiped Pagan gods and brought that into the church.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Wasn't he addressing the Corinth church that he'd rather them speak with the physical tongue (their language) and not babble as some did when they worshiped Pagan gods and brought that into the church.

So where does Paul say anything about babbling to pagan gods? Can you please cite the chapter and verse? Or anything about "babbling"?

It seems like people do not even believe in the things of the spirit anymore. They mock then blame it on some Church that abused them but it really seems as if unbelief is abounding.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So where does Paul say anything about babbling to pagan gods? Can you please cite the chapter and verse? Or anything about "babbling"?

It seems like people do not even believe in the things of the spirit anymore. They mock then blame it on some Church that abused them but it really seems as if unbelief is abounding.

Oh, I believe.

I'm just recalling from my past studies.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

What did Paul mean when he said "Not all speak with tongues" and he wished that all WOULD speak in tongues?

He was talking about the 'gift of tongues' not the evidence of tongues.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Wasn't he addressing the Corinth church that he'd rather them speak with the physical tongue (their language) and not babble as some did when they worshiped Pagan gods and brought that into the church.

1 Cor 14
1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Right off the bat, the "tongues" Paul is referring to here is not natural language as EVIDENCED by his statement "...in the spirit, he speaketh mysteries (and NO MAN UNDERSTANDS IT)

3 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

Tongues (without interpretation as stated later in the chapter) serve for PERSONAL EDIFICATION (In lame man's terms: It's like recharging a battery...lol)

5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

The Apostle DESIRED that ALL his CONVERTS spoke with tongues (PERSONAL EDIFICATION) but most importantly to PROPHESY (OTHER'S EDIFICATION). When we realize the root of the gospel, we understand why prophecy is greater than tongues because it focuses on others and NOT SELF.

The root of the gospel is a selfless love and that is exemplified in prophesying


14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. (Again, not a natural language)

15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit (supernatural), and I will pray with the understanding also (natural): I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.(Amen!)

As for the use of tongues while saints are gathered togthered:

28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

"Let him keep silence" and "let him speak to himself and God" are not contradictory when we realize that the subject at hand is about order in the church. The "tongue speaker (who cannot interprete) should speak to God in a non-disorderly way...

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order

[bbyrd009]

Prolly the best argument for tongues.
I do note that "speaking" suddenly
turned to "praying" there, but good points.