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08-29-2012, 12:46 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Ah, well, there's a reason for that - your word was much worse 
Seriously, if Admin feels I was out of line, I would be happy to change my use of the word to "stinks". But, in my mind, they both mean the same thing! |
Clean it up, please. If you can't I will do it.
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08-29-2012, 12:47 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Originally Posted by Cindy
Y'all are grown men, clean up your language.
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Yes mam 
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08-29-2012, 12:48 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Originally Posted by Chateau d'If
I used the word "screws" and was spanked. You used the word "sucks" and was not.
I feel abused.
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Did you report the post? AFF Admin doesn't read every single post on the forum. If you want a post reviewed, you must report it.
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08-29-2012, 03:44 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
So, who's "truth" do we believe? Yours?
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Don't believe anyone's but your own Michael. I think most of us are just telling what we feel and how we hurt. I don't think anyone is purposely lying. Some just see things in a different way. Why are YOU trying to antagonize the people who are writing these things? Do you have some kind of investment in this? I would say No if you are not from TN. or Miss. Your writings make me think this is personal to you. You ask who's "truth" do we believe, I have a question is your TRUE name Michael Phelps or is your true name one that those involved in this might easily recognize? So, who's "truth" do we believe? Yours?
Let us not love with words or tongue, but with actions and in truth. 1 John 3:18
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08-29-2012, 05:23 PM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Originally Posted by HeavenBound
Don't believe anyone's but your own Michael. I think most of us are just telling what we feel and how we hurt. I don't think anyone is purposely lying. Some just see things in a different way. Why are YOU trying to antagonize the people who are writing these things? Do you have some kind of investment in this? I would say No if you are not from TN. or Miss. Your writings make me think this is personal to you. You ask who's "truth" do we believe, I have a question is your TRUE name Michael Phelps or is your true name one that those involved in this might easily recognize? So, who's "truth" do we believe? Yours?
Let us not love with words or tongue, but with actions and in truth. 1 John 3:18
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Not that I have to justify myself to you, or anyone else, but yes, my real name IS Michael Phelps, and what ticks me off about this thread is that you guys are airing your gripes in a public forum instead of going to each other privately, which is what the Bible teaches. I have no dog in this fight, but I have a huge dog in the fight against airing church problems, most of which are gossip at worst, and perception at best......why do you guys feel compelled to keep kicking the snot out of each other publicly? What do you think you are accomplishing?
Please just answer that one question and I will shut up.
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08-30-2012, 06:26 AM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Ok, let's step back for a minute:
1.) Notice that I said your attitude sucks, I didn't say anything about you personally.
2.) The reason I said that is because you accused another poster of being blatantly dishonest when all they were doing was stating a hypothetical situation, and you are claiming to be the sole speaker of "Truth" on this thread, and anyone else (especially those who disagree) are clueless morons.
3.) You made some comment about this not being a "Pentecostal" friends forum, but an "Apostolic" friends forum, and then you made some snide remarks about our signature lines, inferring that we shouldn't even be allowed to participate.
4.) Then, when I ask a simple question like "Who's truth to believe" you won't respond in a civil tone, but instead you make another snide remark "At least I know what I"m talking about, can you say the same?"
So, yes, your attitude sucks, and I don't apologize for that statement.
Finally, I do care about this thread, because I don't want to see this forum turned into a gossip column, and this thread is the epitome of pure gossip. And you are one of the most vocal proponents.
This thread is not helping anyone, it's an affront to Biblical conflict resolution, and you are a happy participant. Therefore I post on it.
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Michael,
I think there is enough fighting going on. Please don't join the fray....
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08-30-2012, 06:34 AM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Originally Posted by ILG
Michael,
I think there is enough fighting going on. Please don't join the fray....
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ILG, I am simply asking the question "What do the contenders feel will be accomplished here?" And the attitudes stink.....they feel the need to air all the dirty laundry on a public forum, I feel the need to challenge them.
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08-30-2012, 08:02 AM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
ILG, I am simply asking the question "What do the contenders feel will be accomplished here?" And the attitudes stink.....they feel the need to air all the dirty laundry on a public forum, I feel the need to challenge them.
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Michael,
Are you sure you are not confusing feeling the need for coffee and donuts?
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08-30-2012, 08:19 AM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
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Originally Posted by CC1
Michael,
Are you sure you are not confusing feeling the need for coffee and donuts?
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Well, there is that!
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08-30-2012, 09:19 AM
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Re: A Wrecked Church!
Ok, gang, here's the deal.
I was saddened when I read this thread, because I do know one of the pastor's sons, although it's been a long time since I've had any interaction with him. I remember him to be a true Christian gentleman, and I have no reason to believe anything's changed.
When I first read this thread, I viewed it as an information stream, but the more I read, I realized it had become a cyber pulpit for representatives of both sides to relate their account of what had happened. Ok, still not too bad....
But, then the mudslinging started, replete with judgments against the other side, and some choice names being thrown around.
That's when I got irritated with it. I've pastored a church before, so trust me, I know all about the perceptions of both sides, and how each side is thoroughly convinced THEY are right, and everyone else is wrong.
But, this is not the place to continue this sordid saga.....and, when I questioned the benefit of such dialogue, I was accused of being an imposter, not telling the truth, et al, which I'm ok with that too, I've been called a lot worse.
I just had one SIMPLE question- what do both parties think will be accomplished by this? Are folks going to be converted to the truth? Will this settle the controversy? Will folks be won to the Lord? The answer to all is "NO".
However, since I have wasted way more time on this than I ever should have, I'm bowing out now.......carry on, Hatfields and McCoys! 
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