Ryan Lied In His Speech

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Light

If I knew how to put a picture on here it would stop the lies. I have a picture with the last vehicle off the line with the workers holding a large banner with the date DECEMBER 23, 2008 at the bottom of the banner.

Light, that may be when the last vehicle was sent off the line and that may be when they made some initial layoffs and that may be when they announced their plans to close, but that doesn't mean that is when the plant ACTUALLY closed. The whole reason for Obama visiting this plant was because they already knew they were facing problems. No one is denying that. But Obama's policies didn't SAVE the plant from closing its doors--and there was time for that to take place after he took office.

The POINT of Ryan's statement remains the same, and that is that Obama implied that his administration's policies would save that plant from closing--and others like it. EVEN if they had already announced closing, if his policies had worked, they could have reversed that and rehired workers. They did not and the plant eventually closed for good.

My husband worked for a company a year or more after they started lay-offs and announced their intention to close down. Yes, they knew about the intention early on and yes they started lay-offs, but they didn't close the company until over a year later--and even after that, they kept on a skeleton crew for awhile for various reasons. Are you not understanding how factories and plants manage these types of things? One reason for starting with lay-offs is the hope that reducing labor costs can buy time for some improvement and the possibility of saving a company.

You can't call Ryan a liar if he said the company closed after Obama took office because that is precisely what happened. Shutting down production partially, temporarily or completely doesn't = closed.