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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam
My posts are not made with the slightest concern as to what you or your peers may or may not think of me. On some things we agree, on some we dont. I do not agree, in this case, that the outrage is warranted.
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And as more and more Muslims like yourself don't stand up against this kind of stuff why are you so upset and surprised that non-Muslims react this way? They are led to believe you are ALL for this kind of stuff because rather than speaking out against it, you seem to justify it.
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With this in mind: That wasnt a lash. That was a comment that spies are executed in Yemen just like they are executed here.
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Uh, no.
As I said, we have an extensive justice system that ensures the rights of the accused to a fair trial plus appeals process
If you read the article this was not the government putting this man to death. It was a jihadist group that had taken over an area of Yemen
They crucified the man for THREE DAYS. That is not comparable to putting a man to death in the states. And it was not a gruesome three day public event
While Executions by the Federal Government is allowed, it's also very rare (and opposed to by many many Americans)
The issue with the video was not that it was punishment for spying but the fact it was videod, the fact it was public, the fact the method was brutal and gruesome and that it was for 3 days.
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I am a bit tired of you and your colleagues looking overseas and posting critical remarks about problems over there without, again, cleaning out your own backyards.
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You aren't very objective. We and my "colleagues" post about stuff that is happening here in America too! And we discuss it and and speak out against it.
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They do things differently over there. You may not think it is right but crucifixian is an accepted method of punishment by death penalty under the law.
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Yes we know that. That is exactly WHY it becomes news just as your beheadings. Do you really believe people overseas never hear about what goes on in the States? It's the fact that it is acceptable that makes it an issue. It's the fact that beheadings are still acceptable over there that makes it news worthy.
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Putting some poor schmuck in a chair, hooking electrodes up to him, and shocking him over and over while watching him twitch and vomit all over himself was taken.
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First of all, most executions are chemical where the person is anesthetized first so they won't feel anything. Second when they did use the chair it was not "shocking him over and over". It was a lethal shock but even then they way we have sought to become more humane in the process we have tried to make the person unaware of the procedure chemically. The purpose of such methods were not meant to be torture. That is UNLIKE a three day execution OR a bloody beheading. Even in the Guillotine era death was swift. But our society has judged even that to be brutal and not meant to be a spectacle.
These executions are not televised or done in public square and if they were most Americans would probably protest just as many protest the death penalty now
But we CAN protest....you can't. Because this was a RELIGIOUS act and not a governmental act or a government acting as a religious authority. I already posted this once before
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Yemeni jihadist group Ansar al-Shariah took control of the Azzan area of Yemen and imposed Islamic law, or Shariah.
In the process, the group crucified three men, accusing them of being agents for the U.S. The executions reportedly took place several months ago.
Former PLO operative turned terrorism analyst Walid Shoebat says the inscription in the photo of one of the victims reads, “He was crucified for three days in accordance to Shariah.”
“One they nicknamed ‘Captain’ was executed by crucifixion for three days at the entrance to the city of Jaar in the Abyan province, to be viewed by passersby entering and leaving the city.
“‘In Afghanistan, the ones who receive this type of executions are those who are considered spies. But in Yemen this is the first time we have seen such phenomenon, which has become a natural thing now because al-Qaida now exercises the powers of the state and it’s natural that it carries out such executions.”
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No but you are indirectly supporting them but NOT speaking out and using your "You do it too" method of posting.
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I have nothing to do with Al Qaida. I lose as little sleep over some druggie getting his head chopped as you lose over some villager up in the pakastani mountains getting summarily executed with a random bomb. The druggie does get a chance to wash and pray before he sticks his neck out.
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I find it very disturbing when an innocent person get's killed by a US bomb as much as an Israeli or some other person get's blown to bits by an Islamic militant and yes I find it sad that you don't lose any sleep over the use of a sword to cut someone's head off for as little as using drugs. You seem to be desensitized to such viscous and brutal forms of execution. How many have you witnessed?
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On the issue of fair trials. Do you to read a book called "Dreams of Ada" or even better a book called "The Innocent Man (more recommended because you will know the author, John Grisham) then come back to me and tell me about the fair trials given to those on death row right here. Nothing to do with religion, but about (4) innocent people put on death row by the same prosecuter.
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For the most part our judicial system is not run by a group of religious thugs and we have a system of checks and balances. And for THIS reason the Death Penalty is opposed by many people in the US...how about in Yemen or Saudi Arabia? Does anyone oppose these brutal forms of execution? Or can they?
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Now lets talk about modern christians. You don't lose a single iota of sleep or express outrage or wave your standards of fairness when islamic 'extremists' who have never been to court and who are nowhere near America, Americans, or American interests get randomly blown to bits in some faraway overseas village.
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US forces, not the church, try to apprehend as many of these extremists as possible. But you have your apples and oranges mixed up. These are government actions by a secular government that is not adhering to a religious text of laws. You are also mixing your apples and oranges by comparing and execution as a legal remedy to breaking a law to a war. Nazi Germany was no where near America either. If Germans surrendered, we took them and fed them. Otherwise in the course of a war when enemy combatants have not disarmed, yes deaths do occur
Nor is it randomly. There is a process of intel and identification that goes on to identify the enemy. Afghanistan is a combat zone.
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This is who and what you are NOW and TODAY and matches who and what you were THEN and in the PAST. You have much to say of trials and fairnesss only when some spies get executed by Muslims and nothing to say when Muslims get summarily executed on sight by bombs and guns. So this makes you any different from those who hacked their way through Jerusalem during the Crusades? I think not.
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No as I laid out earlier, Christianity and Western societies have changed and continue to change. Our governments can change because they are not forced to follow a religious text.
In America EVERY citizen, Muslim or not, get's the same protections under the law. While ordinary citizens have protested the building of a Mosque the government protected their rights and it was built. Nor do all Americans or Christians agree with those that protest.
That is how we are different. WE stand up and oppose or speak out about wrongs or injustices.
Most of the Muslims being killed are combatants and when an innocent dies it is regrettable and even our leaders will apologize and admit how regrettable it is.
But what about Muslims? You Muslims randomly blow up targets that are often nothing more than citizens, non combatants without weapons like on a bus. Or car bombs where there are no military targets remotely close. Do your Muslims colleagues stand up and lament how terrible it was for that to happen and to ensure they will investigate the process so that it does not happen again?
Do you? Do they? Do your governments stand up and speak up every time a Muslim kills other Muslims? Jews? Christians, because they ARE Jews or Christians and not military combatants?
Our government is NOT a religious institution. We don't institute Religious laws as guidance to execute people or kill Muslims, Jews or Christians.
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About your jewish buddies:
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You don't like Jews do you?
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Do you know who Rachel Corrie is? She is the girl from Washington State who was run down (then backed over) with a bulldozer by an Israeli soldior when she was protesting the bulldozing of homes in Gaza. Their comments: "There are no civilians in war". Get this and this has nothing to do with religion Prax:
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And I think that is TERRIBLE. And you are right, It has nothing to do with religion. The Israeli government is NOT a religious government implementing a set of religious laws everyone has to follow. But you made that about ALL Jews when in reality it was about an Israeli soldier and the Israeli government. Many Jews in the US and other places would just as much find that action deplorable and rather than make excuses, speak out against it.
What about you?
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In Texas we don't run over unarmed women with heavy machinery.
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And if it happens, we speak up!
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If we need someone moved, we man up and move them. Not only do you not give "fair trials" to the "extremists" that are summarily executed around the world, you support outright murder of our own by your Jewish pals. That girl for SURE didnt get a trial but that's their law.
Summary: I still call the comments about the article hypocritical
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Please show me where I supported that. I think it was horrible. The Israeli government is not perfect and have a lot of things to answer for just as many past US Administrations have to.
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