Glorying In Sin

[Praxeas]

There is a difference between being sanctified by God and "consecrating ourselves".

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

There is a difference between being sanctified by God and "consecrating ourselves".

So when are we accountable to be doing the will of God?

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Interesting... I'd have to have some particular examples of what sins are being 'gloried' in.

I don't see sin the same way as some... I use crude language when it is the most descriptive or best understood by the person I am talking to... To me that is no different then asking a patient with a 4th grade education if they can poop and pee OK rather then using the more medical urinate and defecate.

My 17 year old kid was written up in the church school for saying butt as in short for buttocks. He as not being mean or nasty but simply describing the part of a boys anatomy that he fell down on... I was told by a mid 40s man (the principle) that they prefer the term 'hiney'... What the heck is a hiney I asked... or course I was then told that heck is a pentecostal cuss word...

Got me thinking... who decides?

I like wine, Jesus drank wine. That is 'sinful' by some standards... but again WHO decides.

I like you Jason, but I have not seen what you are describing on AFF although I think I might be one who would be categorized as 'glorying' in sin... when really I am just being WHO I REALLY AM. No fake stuff here... I consider being a fake... REAL sin.

Amen.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I like you Jason, but I have not seen what you are describing on AFF although I think I might be one who would be categorized as 'glorying' in sin... when really I am just being WHO I REALLY AM. No fake stuff here... I consider being a fake... REAL sin.

I'm glad you like me, the feeling is mutual. However on this topic we may disagree somewhat.

Why is it that if someone believes in standards or especially in separation from the world it equals "being fake"? Though I have met some "fake" people in the pentecostal movement, most of the people were very "real". I think that sometimes/many times their lifestyles are inconsistent with all of the standards they believe in OR they move the line on standards to a place thats comfortable to them. But I believe that most everyone I've known in the OP movement was genuine and acted like who they really were.

I've been out of the OP movement for 3 years now,and I'm attending a pretty conservative Bible church (by main stream christian standards, would be considered ultra lib by most OPs), but I will say that in my 3 years outside of oneness pentecostalism, there is alot more tolerance or acceptance of worldliness and much less emphasis as a whole on practical personal holiness. However I've also met several wonderful godly christian people who don't live by standards or even know what standards are, but they do desire to please God in everything they do.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So when are we accountable to be doing the will of God?

Ha, I have been passing this for days;
and it is the question. Every minute,
in your next decision, is supposed to be the answer.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Why is it that if someone believes in standards or especially in separation from the world it equals "being fake"?

It doesn't. However I do not see things like hair length, clothing choices, etc. as separating one from the world. After all every item we wear is sold in stores everywhere and their are some wicked nasty people with long hair, short hair and even uncut hair. I've seen those who would never say the most mild three letter 'cuss' word rip another to shreds verbally and the most vile gossip hidden in prayer requests. It is the heart remade by Christ that separates the Christian from the world.

There are also many great folks in the Oneness movement who are genuine and loving of their neighbors, who display fruits of the spirit and holiness of attitude as well as modesty in dress, gender distinction and chaste behavior. I love those folks.

Those I find a problem usually insist that their personal preferences or convictions must also be mine also. They believe that somehow Christ's blood does not manage to cover me if it is not so. They judge that I am not practicing modest conversation if I use common language or that I should never drink wine, no matter that I do not get drunk. God has not convicted me of my language or my wine drinking yet they would have me give up what is acceptable to me to make me like them. It seems that many like this spend more time looking outward than inward for a lack of holiness when they could have a full time job working on themselves.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

It doesn't. However I do not see things like hair length, clothing choices, etc. as separating one from the world. After all every item we wear is sold in stores everywhere and their are some wicked nasty people with long hair, short hair and even uncut hair. I've seen those who would never say the most mild three letter 'cuss' word rip another to shreds verbally and the most vile gossip hidden in prayer requests. It is the heart remade by Christ that separates the Christian from the world.

There are also many great folks in the Oneness movement who are genuine and loving of their neighbors, who display fruits of the spirit and holiness of attitude as well as modesty in dress, gender distinction and chaste behavior. I love those folks.

I agree with everything to this point. I've said repeatedly in this thread that this has nothing to do with standards. I suppose that most everyones minds are this site equate holiness with standards. Now people are quick to say they make a distinction and there is a difference, but anytime someotalks about holiness people start jumping up and down about hair, pants, make up, etc.

My wife trims her hair, wears a small amount of makeup, and occasionally wears pants (if the activity is better suited for pants than skirts). I wear shorts and I have a TV

This isn't about standards.

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Those I find a problem usually insist that their personal preferences or convictions must also be mine also. They believe that somehow Christ's blood does not manage to cover me if it is not so. They judge that I am not practicing modest conversation if I use common language or that I should never drink wine, no matter that I do not get drunk. God has not convicted me of my language or my wine drinking yet they would have me give up what is acceptable to me to make me like them. It seems that many like this spend more time looking outward than inward for a lack of holiness when they could have a full time job working on themselves.

I'm not going to claim that Christs blood won't cover you, God forbid.
You say here that you use "common language' in another post you said "crude language." Now I'm not judging your Christianity, but please allow me to speak to this issue in general.

The Bible plainly teaches that Christians ought to be careful how they speak, thay we should avoid language that is considered shameful, crude, filthy, profane, etc. Furthermore our conversation should be gracious and strengthen our witness as we serve as ambassadors of Jesus Christ.