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Re: Jonathan Suber, Good Preachin'
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Thanks, this is the view I thought you were speaking of - one-stepper. That means that I didn't misquote JS, and can only disagree with him on his position.
We've already covered the one and three stepper view, ad nauseam, so there isn't any point of going around that tree once again.
The only thing I can say is that it doesn't make sense to say you are "saved initially" and then empowered, at some point, with the Spirit. In the first place, the Bible says you NEVER, at any time, belonged to God without having His Spirit dwelling in you.
Your view would bring the idea of two separate conversions and I certainly do not see that in the scriptures.
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PO, I am not following you. My post showed EXACTLY why I believe you misquoted. I believe as a one stepper he would definitely think that the Holy Spirit is "for salvation". That the "baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues" is a later empowerment. So for you to say that he said the Holy Spirit is only an empowerment would not be true. He said the BAPTISM of the Holy Spirit was an empowerment.
Your doctrinal position treats being filled with the Holy Spirit the same as being baptized in the Holy Spirit where one stepper's do not. You can at least represent their position by quoting them correctly on their doctrine.
You are missing the point that one steppers DO believe one is filled with the Holy Spirit when saved. However they don't believe that is the same thing as baptism in the Holy Spirit.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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