Second of all NOBODY said that pastors sins were not covered by grace. You are obfuscating the issue of WHY this upsets people, because he was in a position of authority and preaching against sin for 4 years while he was committing adultery
Now I will ask for the third time, if that is NOT why people get upset, what is the reason?
People also stand and sing in church and MANY are in sin. Does that mean they are hypocrites? NO! The wrestling match goes on. Also, Sunday School teachers teach kids right from wrong yet go home and watch R rated movies and the such.
SIN IS SIN no matter who is doing it.
If people get angry or upset about this fall from grace, they need to examine their own lives and get off their high horse.
People also stand and sing in church and MANY are in sin. Does that mean they are hypocrites?
Is that why people get upset when they find out someone that sings in church for four years and were cheating on their spouse?
You never did address the issue I raised. WHY DO PEOPLE GET UPSET?
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NO! The wrestling match goes on. Also, Sunday School teachers teach kids right from wrong yet go home and watch R rated movies and the such.
They do? But the issue is SHOULD THEY?
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SIN IS SIN no matter who is doing it.
That is not the issue. You keep obfuscating
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If people get angry or upset about this fall from grace, they need to examine their own lives and get off their high horse.
No no no no...the issue is not about someone falling from grace. It's someone in a four year adulterous relationship and in a position of trust and authority preaching against sin while living in sin for 4 years.
This is not a case of someone struggling with an issue. We already settled that. We are talking about someone having an adulterous relationship with someone for FOUR YEARS.
BTW whose the lib? You sound more liberal than anyone here
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BTW whose the lib? You sound more liberal than anyone here[/QUOTE]
No, I'm not a lib, if I was I would be saying stuff like, the outward appearance doesn't matter, I can live anyway I want, I can talk about people anyway I like, If I want to drink I can, yada yada yada.
But WHAT I am is merciful and compassionate. Once a person has been through some stuff, they either become bitter or better. I choose to err on the side of mercy.
I'd like to interject a reason why I think people get upset when they are the member of a congregation and it's discovered that there has been some serious immorality or err in judgement (any sin will do).
I think it's because we put our trust in pastors & leadership. We are aware they are human but in the same way you don't expect your spouse to have an affair, your child to be racist or your best friend to be a gossip but to a greater degree because they claim to have the congregation's best interest at heart. They claim to love us and pray for us. They counsel us and give us guidance. We look to them as an example of true Christianity but a level up since they have been called to lead!
Our home is having an ongoing conversation, here's the question we are batting around. Since pastors are human but held to a higher standard, at what level of sin are they to stay in the pulpit and handle the sin personally with God? When is the line crossed to be handled by a board, panel or other proper overseers? What line does a pastor have to cross to be "put out" of the pulpit or have a petition brought to the congregation?
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No, I'm not a lib, if I was I would be saying stuff like, the outward appearance doesn't matter, I can live anyway I want, I can talk about people anyway I like, If I want to drink I can, yada yada yada.
This is one of the stupidest, yet most common misrepresentation of "liberals" that I have ever seen.
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