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Old 10-26-2012, 09:02 AM
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Re: !!!!!!!Colin Powell Endorses OBAMA !!!!!!!!

I'm not sure if this is the documentary... but it includes interviews with actual CIA and intelligence officials who guit under the Bush Administration because they felt the information was being trumped up to the American people to justify war.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/longroad/

While the world suspected Saddam of developing WMDs... there wasn't a single nation that could make the case that Saddam actually had them. The Bush Administration trumped up falsified data and sold it to the international community to garner support for the invasion of Iraq. Colin Powell was used as a tool and he knows it. That's why Powell refuses to support those neocon warmongers.
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:04 AM
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I think it's trite to say CP endorses Obama because of race. I got emotional watching Obama give his acceptance speech in front of that big crowd in Chicago in 2008...because I knew the next four years were going to be disastrous, given his platform for getting elected...(just kidding) I got emotional because I understood the historical significance of that moment. I felt the same emotion when he was inaugurated.

Cmon guys, offer something more substantial than the dismissive "it's because he's black". I agree with Stew, you can't have it both ways to say you're offended when someone accuses you of racism because you don't support Obama. There are many reasonable reasons to disagree with Obama and to disagree with CP's endorsement.

And his endorsement won't matter. 99% of America has made up their mind. The 1% that hasn't is still trying to decide if New Coke or Coke Classic is better.
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:06 AM
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Inside information suggests that Colin Powell was fighting to have his appearance and speech to the UN be postponed as he was not comfortable with where we were in the process. Some of the stuff related to all of this makes for interesting reading. He is known to have had strong misgivings about Iraq from the beginning and seems to resent the situation the nation and he, personally, were placed in.
"Inside Information?" Cmon Stew, you gotta do better than that.

"Inside information" has it that there are aliens in holding cells at Area 51...
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:07 AM
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I think it's trite to say CP endorses Obama because of race. I got emotional watching Obama give his acceptance speech in front of that big crowd in Chicago in 2008...because I knew the next four years were going to be disastrous, given his platform for getting elected...(just kidding) I got emotional because I understood the historical significance of that moment. I felt the same emotion when he was inaugurated.

Cmon guys, offer something more substantial than the dismissive "it's because he's black". I agree with Stew, you can't have it both ways to say you're offended when someone accuses you of racism because you don't support Obama. There are many reasonable reasons to disagree with Obama and to disagree with CP's endorsement.

And his endorsement won't matter. 99% of America has made up their mind. The 1% that hasn't is still trying to decide if New Coke or Coke Classic is better.
I concur wholeheartedly.
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:11 AM
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"Inside Information?" Cmon Stew, you gotta do better than that.

"Inside information" has it that there are aliens in holding cells at Area 51...
LOL. There is plenty to read. Whenever someone of his stature leaves an administration at a time like that, the walls begin to talk. If I have time, I'll find some of the accounts and info I read. I was very curious about why it happened because I knew there was a reason. When I saw the person in the War Room who I respected the most jump ship, I was very concerned and curious.

And just for the record, he was not the one that I respected the most just because he is black
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:34 AM
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If CP left the Bush admin over anger about how things went down in Iraq, and yet supports Obama despite the fact that Obama has followed through on most of Bush's foreign policy decisions, played dumb when our embassies were under attack and has done nothing while China actively cyber attacks our networks (even hacking the FBI directors computer) then there must be another reason why he is doing so.

It may not be the fact that they share being black, but to say that couldn't be it would be foolish. CP may have hated Bush's Iraqi build up and execution, but he should be more upset with Obama's "let's pack up and get out of these places whether their own militaries are ready or not" mentality means he will be creating a region ripe for Jihadist picking. He already let Egypt fall into the hands of the Muslim brotherhood. He already allows Pakistan's new regime to thumb it's nose at us and hold hands with dangerous evil people.

If CP has less problem with those things than he did with GWB's removal of Saddam then CP is sadly an idiot instead of a man who disagrees with GWB on an Iraq decision.
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:45 AM
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If Obama came out in favor of Oxygen... Republicans would soffocate themselves. lol
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:49 AM
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I completely understand that you can get emotional over the historical significance of having the first black man be president--without supporting him as a candidate, for any reason. I completely enjoyed the inauguration and the emotional reactions by many in the country to the 2008 election. I 100% empathize with any black person who watched that take place and were moved to tears. Who wouldn't? I think you have to be pretty callous to not appreciate those feelings. I made my kids sit down and watch tv during the election and the inauguration and we discussed the monumental nature of that moment, based on our history as a nation.

That said, CP is a very smart man, and I don't believe he would vote for anyone based on race alone--I don't believe he would have voted for Condi Rice, for instance, if she had ran(and I wish she would ). CP wasn't happy with how Bush handled things, to put it mildly, and he wasn't having more of the same. I'm surprised that he would object to Romney, though, because Romney is nothing like Bush. Frankly, I wasn't happy with Bush either, particularly in the last two years of his presidency. His first term was his best one.

For some people, I do think that the romanticism of having our first black president DID prompt them to vote for Obama, and their objectivity was missing. Objectivity is what allows us to set aside emotions and be logical.

I do understand why many, many people voted for Obama in 2008. Some because of race; that's a fact. Some because he made a lot of great-sounding promises. Some because they just liked the guy. I don't understand why so many would want to go back and vote for him again this time around. He has failed to deliver on so many campaign promises, it is staggering. I don't think he has a clue what he's doing, especially in regard to the economy. The main reason I'm going to vote for Romney is simple: He's a businessman, and a good one. If one of these men can fix the economy, it will be Romney; not Obama.
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:53 AM
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Yeah that's what it is. I oppose all things Obama. LOL.

I liked many of his positions in the foreign policy debate. I agree with many of those decisions. I like the sanctions he has used against Iran. There are plenty of things he was wrong on though, and if CP was so disguisted with GWB over any of those things...there is no rational for supporting Obama.

My primary gripes with Obama are domestic and social issues, not foreign policy.
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If CP left the Bush admin over anger about how things went down in Iraq, and yet supports Obama despite the fact that Obama has followed through on most of Bush's foreign policy decisions, played dumb when our embassies were under attack and has done nothing while China actively cyber attacks our networks (even hacking the FBI directors computer) then there must be another reason why he is doing so.

It may not be the fact that they share being black, but to say that couldn't be it would be foolish. CP may have hated Bush's Iraqi build up and execution, but he should be more upset with Obama's "let's pack up and get out of these places whether their own militaries are ready or not" mentality means he will be creating a region ripe for Jihadist picking. He already let Egypt fall into the hands of the Muslim brotherhood. He already allows Pakistan's new regime to thumb it's nose at us and hold hands with dangerous evil people.

If CP has less problem with those things than he did with GWB's removal of Saddam then CP is sadly an idiot instead of a man who disagrees with GWB on an Iraq decision.
I have respect for a man who takes his decision to direct men and women into battle and death solemnly. One major area of foreign policy that both Powell and Obama seem to share is the belief that we should not have been committing the lifes and money we did in Iraq. That is an area that he has seen Obama act on, and if you read his statement that is one thing that he specifically mentioned. In this very critical area, he has not continued the Bush policy.
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