You Can Like, Love and Respect but That doesn't Put Them In Heaven... - Page 6

crakjak · #51 05-19-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

In other words CC1 is Baptist.

CC1 is a believer in Jesus Christ and therefore a brother in Christ.

Many argue about life beginning at conception, and therefore oppose abortion, yet reject a person being a saved Christian at conception (when the seed of the Word is recieved by faith in the heart).

I scream, you scream, we all scream for Ice Cream!

OGIA · #52 05-19-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy

I have an issue when someone doesn't agree or believe what Falwell and others believe and then defends them in the same breath when someone calls false doctrine out...

I still find it amazing that the dead man who was lost seconds before he died may not be lost the second after he dies.

Maybe we oughta just quit witnessing all together. God's gonna divide it all up one day, anyway, right?

*wonders if it's too soon to talk about Hitler*

crakjak · #53 05-19-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy

It's nice to think that this is all it takes and conversion is nothing more than a decision.... but I didn't ask the Question at Pentecost a unregenerate sinner did... and Peter answered... with the command...

I can't or won't argue with Peter or the Lord... Why have the Holy Ghost fall at all if it's not necessary? Why an upper Room.. Why the fulfillment of Joel's Prophecy?

Bro, it is not just a decision, it receiving in faith the truth that Jesus Christ is the Savior, and in faith turning away from sin to pursue God. Much growth and spiritual work takes place in the believer from that point forward.

At Pentecost it was the Grand Opening of the New Covenant it came with much ado and fanfare. Why don't you demand the fire and the wind to substantiate that one truly receives the HG?

OGIA · #54 05-19-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Many argue about life beginning at conception, and therefore oppose abortion, yet reject a person being a saved Christian at conception (when the seed of the Word is recieved by faith in the heart).

But, that "life" can be aborted at any point along the way.

Until that fetus exits the womb, there is no "birth". Until someone who believes dies, is buried and is resurrected they are still in the womb, still in the process of being born, and still subject to an abortion.

Trouvere · #55 05-19-2007, 03:43 PM

At Pentecost it was the Grand Opening of the New Covenant it came with much ado and fanfare. Why don't you demand the fire and the wind to substantiate that one truly receives the HG?

I don't believe the bible teaches that Pentecost was the Grand Opening of the New Covenant.The bible teaches that Calvary was the opening.Pentecost was the promise as a result of Calvary.There is always alot of blood and water before birth.It was the birth of the church though I will agree but the New Covenant is more than just a bang and fire and water its was a bloody sacrifice first.That is why repentance is part of the salvation plan.We have to die first to self and take on Jesus Christ.

crakjak · #56 05-19-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy

Ronzo...

Do you believe there is a Hell?

I do not believe in the tradition view of Hell. Paul, not one place in all of his writings warns the Gentiles of any hell hole of endless torment. Is there "just recompense" of reward, of course. Will there be reward according to ones works, of course. Will God be just as well as merciful, of course. Tell me, does 60-80 years of sin, equal a just recompense of billions of years of unbearable torment w/o any hope of relief? God is just and merciful, additionally scripture tells us that Jesus paid for the sins of the whole world, yet still (according to tradition) humans can earn "endless torment" in only 60-80 years. Does that make a lick of sense?

When the church seeks God and finds the truth of the "Good News'', then the glory of the Lord will fill the whole earth. The traditions of men have distorted and blasphemed the character of God by accusing Him of torture, of the worst kind of His creation.

God is a better planner than the traditional view presents, do you think He planned the earth and all that is in it, and allowed, Satan and the "freewill" of man to cause Him to lose the vast majority of His creation. What absolute heresy, deception and lies.

Dare you to remove the traditional lens, ask the Lord to give you a clean slate to know Him as He really is, and do a one year in depth study on this subject, you'll never be the same.

crakjak · #57 05-19-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Trouvere

At Pentecost it was the Grand Opening of the New Covenant it came with much ado and fanfare. Why don't you demand the fire and the wind to substantiate that one truly receives the HG?

I don't believe the bible teaches that Pentecost was the Grand Opening of the New Covenant.The bible teaches that Calvary was the opening.Pentecost was the promise as a result of Calvary.There is always alot of blood and water before birth.It was the birth of the church though I will agree but the New Covenant is more than just a bang and fire and water its was a bloody sacrifice first.That is why repentance is part of the salvation plan.We have to die first to self and take on Jesus Christ.

Calvary is the foundational investment, but the Grand Opening was Pentecost. There was plenty going on between Calvary and Pentecost, but Pentecost was the rolling it out for all see and to believe.

crakjak · #58 05-19-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OGIA

But, that "life" can be aborted at any point along the way.

Until that fetus exits the womb, there is no "birth". Until someone who believes dies, is buried and is resurrected they are still in the womb, still in the process of being born, and still subject to an abortion.

The total "New Birth" will not be completed until we shed this flesh and enter into the fullness of our inheritance. We are still in the womb in a sense, until we see Jesus, then we shall be like Him. "...we don't know what we shall be, but we know that when we see Him we shall be like Him.

OGIA · #59 05-19-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

The total "New Birth" will not be completed until we shed this flesh and enter into the fullness of our inheritance.

O. I C.

Brett Prince · #60 05-19-2007, 05:43 PM

Acts 2:29 KJV Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

Peter was speaking to Jews, who, I think all here would agree, were not yet saved. He called them BRETHREN. Seems to me that we should honor the baptists who do not believe what we believe in the same way Peter honored those who did not as of yet believe that Christ was God manifest in the flesh.

Now, for those that make this a "country" and "ethnic" address--well, I have a lot of baptist friends that live in the same country and could be called my "brother" in that regard as well. I see no reason to refer to Jerry Falwell as "Mr.," but rather, "Brother Falwell" works well for me...saved or not...Oneness or not, Pentecostal or not.