Can a true Christian embrace Che Guevarra ?

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Where have these principles been put into effect and worked?

these principles haven't been tested. china seems to be working economically and venezuela is working so far due to oil revenues. america is implementing these principles with clinton and obama but it was bush that sabotaged the economy. seems to be working.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Jay

I do not believe that these men should be embraced. Socialism has destroyed the few morals that were existent in Europe and the United States. When your economic system is founded on greed, envy, jealousy, and lust, you have opened the nation to anger, bitterness, resentment, riotous behavior, murder, and other forms of immorality. After all, does not the 'upper class' owe the 'lower class' and the 'suppressed masses' their unlimited and unrestrained freedom. This is the growth of socialism.

jay, you are confused. who is more greedy, wall street or the oppressed masses? thank god a majority of americans have common sense.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

these principles haven't been tested. china seems to be working economically and venezuela is working so far due to oil revenues. america is implementing these principles with clinton and obama but it was bush that sabotaged the economy. seems to be working.

And what did Obama do the past 4 years! Pathetic! No use to even answer you, really. I doubt there is a fair and honest bone in your body! BUSH.....BUSH....BUSH! You're just a broken record!

BT

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

we need more progressivity in america and christians need to be aware of the alternatives and become more socially conscious. moving away from the other worldliness of salvation in the afterlife to salvation and the kingdom of God in the here and now. To help the poor is to help Christ. Our "christian" system of government should reflect that.

Socially conscious? So having an avatar of a murderous thug will make me socially conscious? What about a T-shirt? Like every other drunk American future college dropout? Would that make me "socially conscious" enough for you? What if I smoked a joint and listened to Bob Marley talk about peace and then looked at Obama put out my hand and demanded my welfare check. Is that conscious enough for you?

Here's how "conscious" I am. I know this Marxist agenda inside and out and it leads to only one thing: death. Karl Marx was an atheist, not some champion of christian values. His Marxist theories were entirely based upon Charles Darwin's theory of evolution (this you can look up). It was Marxism that led to the most inhumane, disgusting, and violent regimes in human history. Mao Zedong, Che Guevara, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. Though each marxist leader had their different strategies and theories about how "socialism" would rule the world each generally had a few things in common:

1. the belief that religion of any kind is a threat to the ultimate power of the state (especially Christianity) and therefore it and it's practitioners must be eliminated.
2. the world is overpopulated and population control must be achieved both for "environmental" reasons and for the sake of safe guarding the "revolution" (it's easier to control less people).

These two main ideas led to come of the world's worst mass murders. These individuals had no regard for human life, no regard for community, they murdered as many people possible for the sake of their "revolution". China even today has a destructive one world policy, and we know that Planned Parenthood was created by a Marxist feminist Margaret Sanger who published an anti-religion pamphlet monthly declaring that an increase in abortions would be wonderful because it'd cause the population to go down, especially blacks and latinos. But yet we continue to play this game like the modern democratic party that praises planned parenthood, the birthchild of a racist madwoman, champions homosexuality, has pursued every form of gun control it can to the destruction of the inner cities of America, has put together one of the most complex and tangled up messes of a federal government this nation has ever known is not what it truly is, a party of far left socialism and a ultimately a party of what far left socialism brings: death.

There is NOTHING christian about the liberal agenda and the lie that you are "standing up" for the poor is just as much a slap in the face to our intelligence as you trying to make Guevara a Christian's hero.

No I'll keep my guns and I'll keep my religion. For good reason. Your agenda is death, just like your heroes and those heroes speak volumes to what you truly believe.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

Socially conscious? So having an avatar of a murderous thug will make me socially conscious? What about a T-shirt? Like every other drunk American future college dropout? Would that make me "socially conscious" enough for you? What if I smoked a joint and listened to Bob Marley talk about peace and then looked at Obama put out my hand and demanded my welfare check. Is that conscious enough for you?

Here's how "conscious" I am. I know this Marxist agenda inside and out and it leads to only one thing: death. Karl Marx was an atheist, not some champion of christian values. His Marxist theories were entirely based upon Charles Darwin's theory of evolution (this you can look up). It was Marxism that led to the most inhumane, disgusting, and violent regimes in human history. Mao Zedong, Che Guevara, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. Though each marxist leader had their different strategies and theories about how "socialism" would rule the world each generally had a few things in common:

1. the belief that religion of any kind is a threat to the ultimate power of the state (especially Christianity) and therefore it and it's practitioners must be eliminated.
2. the world is overpopulated and population control must be achieved both for "environmental" reasons and for the sake of safe guarding the "revolution" (it's easier to control less people).

These two main ideas led to come of the world's worst mass murders. These individuals had no regard for human life, no regard for community, they murdered as many people possible for the sake of their "revolution". China even today has a destructive one world policy, and we know that Planned Parenthood was created by a Marxist feminist Margaret Sanger who published an anti-religion pamphlet monthly declaring that an increase in abortions would be wonderful because it'd cause the population to go down, especially blacks and latinos. But yet we continue to play this game like the modern democratic party that praises planned parenthood, the birthchild of a racist madwoman, champions homosexuality, has pursued every form of gun control it can to the destruction of the inner cities of America, has put together one of the most complex and tangled up messes of a federal government this nation has ever known is not what it truly is, a party of far left socialism and a ultimately a party of what far left socialism brings: death.

There is NOTHING christian about the liberal agenda and the lie that you are "standing up" for the poor is just as much a slap in the face to our intelligence as you trying to make Guevara a Christian's hero.

No I'll keep my guns and I'll keep my religion. For good reason. Your agenda is death, just like your heroes and those heroes speak volumes to what you truly believe.

marx, lenin and stalin championed state socialism. Third way is not state socialim but free market socialim. you are in the wrong century. hugo chavez is a christian socialist. che is just an icon.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

marx, lenin and stalin championed state socialism. Third way is not state socialim but free market socialim. you are in the wrong century. hugo chavez is a christian socialist. che is just an icon.

There is NO such thing as "christian socialism". Socialism was always anti-christianity, from it's beginning. Guevara was an atheist and a murderer.

[Monterrey]

Socialism is Antichrist.

[Jay]

Hugo Chavez is not a Christian. He is little more than a mini-Stalin or Mussolini. He is nothing more than a tyrannical and oppressive king who would rather his people suffer so that he and his cronies can live in unopposed opulence. He is of the same vein as Ferdinand Marcos, Fidel Castro, Khrushchev, and too many other little wish-they-were-gods. He is allied with the murderous and blasphemous Iranian regime. I really do not see what else needs to be said about him.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Jay

Hugo Chavez is not a Christian. He is little more than a mini-Stalin or Mussolini. He is nothing more than a tyrannical and oppressive king who would rather his people suffer so that he and his cronies can live in unopposed opulence. He is of the same vein as Ferdinand Marcos, Fidel Castro, Khrushchev, and too many other little wish-they-were-gods. He is allied with the murderous and blasphemous Iranian regime. I really do not see what else needs to be said about him.

jay you are uninformed. hugo chaves has lowered extreme poverty in his country by 50 percent. http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/7489

[Dedicated Mind]

venezuela poverty article http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/6451