Can a true Christian embrace Che Guevarra ?

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

what does that have to do with a picture of a murderer?
Our Government is not a Christian system. It's a secular government.

i don't advocate violence but murder is in the eye of the beholder. the british consider george washington a murderer. southeners consider lincoln a murderer. iraqis consider bush a murderer. the japanese consider truman a murderer who did drop an atomic bomb. whose view is valid? i don't consider che a murderer. it's called ethnocentricity, an ethnic point of view.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i don't advocate violence but murder is in the eye of the beholder. the british consider george washington a murderer. southeners consider lincoln a murderer. iraqis consider bush a murderer. the japanese consider truman a murderer who did drop an atomic bomb. whose view is valid? i don't consider che a murderer. it's called ethnocentricity, an ethnic point of view.

None of those men advocated the wholesale slaughter of civilians. Che did and is now burning in hell where he belongs. Care to join him?

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Dedicated Mind, how about this for a compromise? Why don't we simply follow the Constitution? Why don't we only allow the Federal Government to perform those 20 or so, few and defined powers delegated to it by the States, and allow the States to do as they see fit on the rest? That way, any State that wanted to could adopt these "progressive " policies that you condone, while citizen's of other States could adopt a more libertarian form of society if they wished. No specific philosophy or ideology should be forced on all the States from the top down, wouldn't you agree?

the policies of the federal government is the will of the majority of americans. we have a mechanism to decide the constitutionality of federal law. unfortunately you radical right wing states will have to swallow what the federal government dishes out. it is the fate of america and the will of god. the world is doomed to unite under the antichrist and socialism will be the mechanism. get used to it.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Originalist

None of those men advocated the wholesale slaughter of civilians. Che did and is now burning in hell where he belongs. Care to join him?

truman didn't slaughter civilians? che didn't actually kill civilians. big difference. i would rather be with che than with you wherever god judges him to be.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

the policies of the federal government is the will of the majority of americans. we have a mechanism to decide the constitutionality of federal law. unfortunately you radical right wing states will have to swallow what the federal government dishes out. it is the fate of america and the will of god. the world is doomed to unite under the antichrist and socialism will be the mechanism. get used to it.

the policies of the federal government is the will of the majority of americans. we have a mechanism to decide the constitutionality of federal law.

Actually, the majority can only rule where the Constitution allows it to. Furthermore, the States themselves are the final authority as to the limits of Federal power. Contrary to the opinion of some, the States did not create a common agent (the Federal Government) that would be allowed to decide the limits of its own power through the courts. But at least you admit that socialism is "doom" and of the anti-Christ. BTW, Truman's act saved millions of Japanese lives who would have otherwise perished had we resorted to a land invasion of Japan. Che's goal was to enslave. Truman's goal was to liberate.

BTW, I predict a bloody, second American revolution on this continent that will lead the the creation of at least three smaller confederations of States.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

i don't advocate violence but murder is in the eye of the beholder.the british consider george washington a murderer. southeners consider lincoln a murderer. iraqis consider bush a murderer. the japanese consider truman a murderer who did drop an atomic bomb. whose view is valid? i don't consider che a murderer. it's called ethnocentricity, an ethnic point of view.

And you wonder why conservatives don't want people like you in office. This is Obamanation democrats, congratulations. Yes it's that bad.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Actually, the majority can only rule where the Constitution allows it to. Furthermore, the States themselves are the final authority as to the limits of Federal power. Contrary to the opinion of some, the States did not create a common agent (the Federal Government) that would be allowed to decide the limits of its own power through the courts. But at least you admit that socialism is "doom" and of the anti-Christ. BTW, Truman's act saved millions of Japanese lives who would have otherwise perished had we resorted to a land invasion of Japan. Che's goal was to enslave. Truman's goal was to liberate.

BTW, I predict a bloody, second American revolution on this continent that will lead the the creation of at least three smaller confederations of States.

dropping 2 atomic bombs and slaughtering millions of people are acts of liberation. ultimate hogwash, twisted radical right wing thinking. i would rather be in hell than to serve a god that would allow you into heaven.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Actually, the majority can only rule where the Constitution allows it to. Furthermore, the States themselves are the final authority as to the limits of Federal power. Contrary to the opinion of some, the States did not create a common agent (the Federal Government) that would be allowed to decide the limits of its own power through the courts. But at least you admit that socialism is "doom" and of the anti-Christ. BTW, Truman's act saved millions of Japanese lives who would have otherwise perished had we resorted to a land invasion of Japan. Che's goal was to enslave. Truman's goal was to liberate.

BTW, I predict a bloody, second American revolution on this continent that will lead the the creation of at least three smaller confederations of States.

Can we stop here with your statement and take a reverent pause to truly take in the brilliance of those who formed the US constitution and laid down the framework of this republic's existence?

Here's a lesson in the concept of "democracy" and why the American public if it continues understanding democracy the way we understand in modern times will destroy itself.

America is not rule-by-popular vote democracy, and for good reasons. Another term for that is a "direct democracy" where the "majority" or the "masses" as the socialist likes to say wield the power to have their various whims imposed upon the nation. The founding fathers of America feared this moreso then they feared monarchical rule. Which is why they were extremely careful to form a framework where certain inalienable rights were protected, and that this system could not take a massively dramatic swing in any direction of some massive populist movement.

The brilliance of all this is seen in the middle east, where there is so much talk about "democracy" or a government "by the people". However we miss understand true freedom for "having elections". Just about every time an Islamic nation has "elections" Islamism wins and the nation becomes an Islamic republic. Perfect example Egypt. Well meaning Americans cheered on the "Arab spring" and the calls for "democracy". However they failed to understand why the United States supported Mubarak all those years. Was he a dictator? Yes. However he was the greatest supporter of peace in the region of Arab nationality, he was the foundation of Israel-Arab relations, he was a secularist who defended the rights of women, christians, and ethnic minorities, and he was America's greatest Arab ally in the war against radical Islam. He knew what America's leaders once knew: that if egypt was given "elections" the masses of the people were liable to swing anywhere especially with the massive Muslim Brotherhood presence in the country. It happened, and without a firm and sturdy constitutional framework protecting the rights of minorities and women there will very possibly Sharia Law in Egypt.

Liberals and leftists in the UN love these free "elections" and stand behind the "masses" but you can get the "masses" to do just about anything if you want. Need examples? Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Rwanda, Cambodia, all leaders elected by the "masses" which lead genocides carried out by those same "masses". Marx knew this, and knew exactly how to exploit it especially in weak struggling and newly forming nations in Latin America and Africa. It is all propaganda, "the masses" "the people's republic". DM has that mindset... they'd drink Jim Jones Kool Aid come back from the dead and drink it again this time with Jim Jones fries and a David Koresh burger with cheese. Sad but true.

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

And you wonder why conservatives don't want people like you in office. This is Obamanation democrats, congratulations. Yes it's that bad.

there are millions of white people who don't consider che a murderer but consider truman to be a murderer. ethnocentricity is a fault. righteous judgement void of ethnicity is what many conservatives lack.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

there are millions of white people who don't consider che a murderer but consider truman to be a murderer. ethnocentricity is a fault. righteous judgement void of ethnicity is what many conservatives lack.

I'm black. What's your point?