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CC1 · #**221** 05-19-2007, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

I honestly believe that history will treat Bill Clinton very well and George Bush will be listed among the worse presidents in US history. When you compare their accomplishments Clinton clearly outshines Bush. Clinton is the most intelligent president in many years.

I have been a Republican all my life, but I can't stand Bush. I cringe every time he speaks wondering what stupid statement he'll make next. IMO he's an embarrassment to the the USA. His adminstration will be most remembered for his stupidity and for being so headstrong he would rather live a lie than to do what is in the best interest of the country and the world in general. The day Colin Powell resigned as Secretary of State represents for me the beginning of the end of any hope for a successful Bush presidency.

It's too bad that Clinton will also be remembered as well for his moral failures. Apparently his attendance at those UPC campmeetings didn't impact him as they should have!

I know you are shocked that I disagree vehomoently with you! Bush may not be any good at public speaking but he is the first President with a Masters degree in Business AND had better grades in college than John Kerry.

Being inarticulate does not equal stupidity. GWB is much better one on one and in small groups that in speeches. I agree that being inarticulate is a great handicap as a President. Especially in this day and age of mass communication and a public with a very short attention span or loyalty.

The Nation had 8 years of Reagan and 8 years of Clinton as great communicators who "connected" with an audience so people were used to someone skilled in that arena for 16 of the last 20 years of the Presidency before GWB came to office.

I still believe he is a good, honest, intelligent man. He has had some terrible luck in that the intelligence about WMD in Iraq was wrong and in the fact that the Iraqi people and government does not have the will to stand up on it's own it appears. If those two t hings had been different GWB would be being praised right now as a genius.

The American people (and in your case a Canadian) have way too little patience. If everythign doesn't go just smoothly and if all problems are not solved in a short period of time they lose patience and faith. That is a shame.

I think it is a disgrace that the American people lost faith in the President and elected a bunch of yellow belly pacifist Democrats to control both houses of Congress.

The other thing that irks me is that the fact that the economy has been great gets totally ingored by the critics of the President and the mainstream media.

Our unemployment rate has been the lowest just about ever, stock market high, etc. Of course there are problems in the economy as there will always be but overall we have a strong economy right now despite it being talked down by Democrats and media. The American people never hear the good stuff.

#**222** 05-19-2007, 07:51 PM

CC1,

I appreciate and agree with your post.

Now, with that out of the way, are CS and LCS in Nashville this weekend? Didn't I read that you were going to pick them up at the airport?

if they are here, do you realize that CS, LCS, Steadfast and Phil Jones are all in Tennessee this weekend?

Ya'll are either very blessed or in real trouble! I am not sure which!

Truly Blessed · #**223** 05-19-2007, 08:08 PM

I have read the entire autobiography of Bill Clinton and as a result I have a much greater appreciation for Clinton than I once had. What he did on so many levels was quite amazing actually, with a balanced budget being the crowning achievement of his administration.

I do agree with most of what you have to say here. BTW, I am an American, not a Canadian! What you say about the negative press is true and is one reason why that even when someone like Clinton is doing a good job as far as governing is concerned, the nature of politics and the press is to focus entirely on anything negative. That is what sells news.

I don't think Bush is stupid, I just think he lacked the background knowledge and experience in world politics to make wise decisions regarding foreign policy and therefore had to lean far too heavily on others and has been misquided by them.

He also has a loyalty to those around him that has in some cases been a misplaced loyalty that hurt him. One such case was his loyalty to Rumsfield. Had he cut him loose one week earlier the Democrats wouldn't have won control of both houses of Congress.

Hoovie · #**224** 05-19-2007, 08:12 PM

I just want to say i agree with everyone on this thread!

CC1 · #**225** 05-19-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

I have read the entire autobiography of Bill Clinton and as a result I have a much greater appreciation for Clinton than I once had. What he did on so many levels was quite amazing actually, with a balanced budget being the crowning achievement of his administration.

I do agree with most of what you have to say here. BTW, I am an American, not a Canadian! What you say about the negative press is true and is one reason why that even when someone like Clinton is doing a good job as far as governing is concerned, the nature of politics and the press is to focus entirely on anything negative. That is what sells news.

I don't think Bush is stupid, I just think he lacked the background knowledge and experience in world politics to make wise decisions regarding foreign policy and therefore had to lean far too heavily on others and has been misquided by them.

He also has a loyalty to those around him that has in some cases been a misplaced loyalty that hurt him. One such case was his loyalty to Rumsfield. Had he cut him loose one week earlier the Democrats wouldn't have won control of both houses of Congress.

I know that as President at the time Clinton gets the credit for a balanced budget but the reality of that is twofold. The reason the budget was balanced is;

1. America foolishly slashed defense spending with the end of the Cold War reducing the size of the military too much to actually fight any extended conventional war in the future.

2. America elected for the first time in 40+ years a Republican congress that forced Clinton to be more austure than a Dem wants to be AND passed legislation like Welfare Reform that a Dem congress would never have done. I do give Clinton credit for having no core values so he blew with the wind and with the Republicnas in control of Congress and the American people obviously behind them (and freaked out by Hillary's attempt to Nationalize health care) he supported the welfare reform bill and signed it into law.

Truly Blessed · #**226** 05-19-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Brett Prince

Uh...TB...I am supposin' that this was TIC. If not, I'm gonna have to make a trip to Canada... Oh! I see! That was what this was all about all along! You just wanted to rile some of us up so you could have some company!

Bill Clinton was NOWHERE NEAR as effective as Ronald Reagan. He was an unmitigated disaster for the US in terms of respect.

Now, as for GW...at the risk of angering CC1--I am highly disappointed in him. But, I am also highly disappointed with EVERY SINGLE candidate we have, both Republican and Democrat.

Brett, you must remember that Reagan was an actor who played his role well. It just so happened that he had the right convictions needed for that time at home and on the world stage.

I agree that Clinton did much to undermine the respect that much of the world once had for US leaders and has contributed to some of the difficulties Bush has encountered following him into that office.

However, I think you would agree that Bush has made his own contribution to the level of disrespect that other nations now have for the presidency and the USA as a nation.

Truly Blessed · #**227** 05-19-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

I know that as President at the time Clinton gets the credit for a balanced budget but the reality of that is twofold. The reason the budget was balanced is;

1. America foolishly slashed defense spending with the end of the Cold War reducing the size of the military too much to actually fight any extended conventional war in the future.

2. America elected for the first time in 40+ years a Republican congress that forced Clinton to be more austure than a Dem wants to be AND passed legislation like Welfare Reform that a Dem congress would never have done. I do give Clinton credit for having no core values so he blew with the wind and with the Republicnas in control of Congress and the American people obviously behind them (and freaked out by Hillary's attempt to Nationalize health care) he supported the welfare reform bill and signed it into law.

Sounds to me like a successful politician!

Felicity · #**228** 05-19-2007, 08:25 PM

Truth is Clinton did nothing that other presidents haven't done when it comes to immorality. He just got caught and exposed in the most public way. Far as I'm concerned it should never have been made public ... but .... in the times we're living in nothing is kept quiet anymore. Nothing is considered sacred. Nothing is held back --- not even for the sake of decency or out of respect for the office a person holds.

The exposure brought shame on Clinton himself, on his wife and family, on the highest office in the land and on the United States of America and had huge repercussion. It did nobody or nothing any good whatsoever. In fact, just the opposite is true.

JMO.

CC1 · #**229** 05-19-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

Truth is Clinton did nothing that other presidents haven't done when it comes to immorality. He just got caught and exposed in the most public way. Far as I'm concerned it should never have been made public ... but .... in the times we're living in nothing is kept quiet anymore. Nothing is considered sacred. Nothing is held back --- not even for the sake of decency or out of respect for the office a person holds.

The exposure brought shame on Clinton himself, on his wife and family, on the highest office in the land and on the United States of America and had huge repercussion. It did nobody or nothing any good whatsoever. In fact, just the opposite is true.

JMO.

The difference is that Bill Clinton lied under oath about it in a sexual harressment case against him.