Why is it that...

[houston]

Most liberals (99%) believe that UCons will make heaven their home, disregarding the spirit/principles of Galatians?

Why do most UCons (99%) believe that liberals will be ushered into hell, disregarding the NT teaching on liberty and freedom?


Forgive me. I do not articulate well.

[Amanah]

I think we are bound to live our lives in accordance with the Bible as best we can and to encourage others to do the same. As we live and breathe and mature, our understanding of scripture may evolve/change. It is not up to us to judge who will fall and who will stand. We should not even judge ourselves, but trust in God.

1 Cor 4:

1This is how one should regard us, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. 2Moreover, it is required of stewards that they be found trustworthy. 3But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. 4For I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me. 5Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by houston

Most liberals (99%) believe that UCons will make heaven their home, disregarding the spirit/principles of Galatians?

Why do most UCons (99%) believe that liberals will be ushered into hell, disregarding the NT teaching on liberty and freedom?


Forgive me. I do not articulate well.

There have been disagreements, and dysfunction in the church ever since Pentecost. Look at the disagreements early on after the spirit was first poured out in Acts 6, when the Greek widows and the Hebrew widows were fighting because the Greek widows were being neglected, and the Hebrew widows weren't. If you go back and read the book of Acts, you will find plenty of disagreements, fights, contentions, and strong words from one brother to another.

So, obviously, it is because of our human nature that we deal with that there will always be disagreements, and contention. It shouldn't surprise us. The early church had all kinds of trouble, and that trouble has never gone away, and is still in the church of Christ today.

That doesn't mean, however, that we still shouldn't strive for love among the brethren. Paul taught it very well, that we should live our own conscience before God, and not judge others who do not as we do. Yet, it is human nature to do that very thing... to think that because we are doing some law, or tradition, that it is making us more holy and acceptable in God's eyes, and then condemn our brother who is not doing it.

That is not acceptable to God. What is God's perfect plan?

It is for us to love one another, despite our differences, not condemning one another, but doing what we do as unto the Lord, and not unto man, with love producing the fruits of the spirit.

[Esaias]

Heaven is not our 'home', not now, not 'then'.

'We look for new heavens and a new EARTH, wherein righteousness dwells.'

[The Lemon]

Interesting discussion. My wife and I were talking last night about differences (not necessarily disagreements) between Apostolics and other Christian Denominations.

One thing that has been very apparent to me is how we treat/handle weaker brothers and or sisters in the church. There is much said, taught, and preached concerning those who are backslid, weaker, etc., etc.

Most of the discussions revolve around keeping distance, and not hanging with those who struggle. It amazes my that in a group that already has the propensity for isolation, also in some cases isolates individuals within the same group.

What part of the good samaritan is hard to understand? What part of restoration is that difficult? It boggles my mind how we preach healing, but won't help a weak brother or sister for fear of getting dirty...I really don't get it, and in fact it makes us look cultish.

I have seen in my own life...when I "line up" I am included and a funtional part...let me trip, let me show some inconsistency, and i am riding the pew and feeling like the red headed step child. anyone trying to convince me that this is normal and healthy is going to have their work cut out...as I have been around other Christians who do not operate in this fashion...

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by The Lemon

Interesting discussion. My wife and I were talking last night about differences (not necessarily disagreements) between Apostolics and other Christian Denominations.

One thing that has been very apparent to me is how we treat/handle weaker brothers and or sisters in the church. There is much said, taught, and preached concerning those who are backslid, weaker, etc., etc.

Most of the discussions revolve around keeping distance, and not hanging with those who struggle. It amazes my that in a group that already has the propensity for isolation, also in some cases isolates individuals within the same group.

What part of the good samaritan is hard to understand? What part of restoration is that difficult? It boggles my mind how we preach healing, but won't help a weak brother or sister for fear of getting dirty...I really don't get it, and in fact it makes us look cultish.

I have seen in my own life...when I "line up" I am included and a funtional part...let me trip, let me show some inconsistency, and i am riding the pew and feeling like the red headed step child. anyone trying to convince me that this is normal and healthy is going to have their work cut out...as I have been around other Christians who do not operate in this fashion...

The one thing that I don't understand is why when those of us leave we get shunned. If we have walked away from the "truth" why not try and love us back into the "truth". I know many couples who have left and they all say the same thing they have been shunned by people they grew up with or by family.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by The Lemon

Interesting discussion. My wife and I were talking last night about differences (not necessarily disagreements) between Apostolics and other Christian Denominations.

One thing that has been very apparent to me is how we treat/handle weaker brothers and or sisters in the church. There is much said, taught, and preached concerning those who are backslid, weaker, etc., etc.

Most of the discussions revolve around keeping distance, and not hanging with those who struggle. It amazes my that in a group that already has the propensity for isolation, also in some cases isolates individuals within the same group.

What part of the good samaritan is hard to understand? What part of restoration is that difficult? It boggles my mind how we preach healing, but won't help a weak brother or sister for fear of getting dirty...I really don't get it, and in fact it makes us look cultish.

I have seen in my own life...when I "line up" I am included and a funtional part...let me trip, let me show some inconsistency, and i am riding the pew and feeling like the red headed step child. anyone trying to convince me that this is normal and healthy is going to have their work cut out...as I have been around other Christians who do not operate in this fashion...

It's because many of them do not know how, Lemon. Many of them don't know how to love or support weak people. They are afraid to be associated with what the church leadership calls weak people.

This action makes me wonder who the truly weak people are.

[kclee4jc]

So sick of arguments like this.

Let me ask something. Does this "liberty" really stem from consistent and fervant prayer and hearing from God? From real, consistent spiritual interaction? If it does I am convinced we must be led by two different spirits. Because the more time I spend in the presence of Jesus the more I become aware of the corruption around me and the more I am persuaded to "lay aside every weight and sin".

[tv1a]

Legalists don't understand grace.

Originally Posted by houston

Most liberals (99%) believe that UCons will make heaven their home, disregarding the spirit/principles of Galatians?

Why do most UCons (99%) believe that liberals will be ushered into hell, disregarding the NT teaching on liberty and freedom?


Forgive me. I do not articulate well.

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Legalists don't understand grace.

Amen!

NO ONE understands grace but the Giver of grace. That's why I'm still "growin in grace".