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12-19-2012, 07:49 PM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
So much for logic...
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12-19-2012, 09:13 PM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
ha ha ha
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12-20-2012, 07:17 AM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
So, here's the problem. Essentially the position that advocates banning abortion supports the GOVERNMENT seizing a woman's body and FORCING her to give birth against her will.
While I hate abortion as much as the next guy... a woman's body is her body. A GOVERNMENT that can force a woman to give birth... can force a woman to abort.
Leave the choice in the hands of individual women. Not coming at this as a "liberal". I'm coming at this as more of a Libertarian.
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12-20-2012, 07:22 AM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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Originally Posted by Aquila
So, here's the problem. Essentially the position that advocates banning abortion supports the GOVERNMENT seizing a woman's body and FORCING her to give birth against her will.
While I hate abortion as much as the next guy... a woman's body is her body. A GOVERNMENT that can force a woman to give birth... can force a woman to abort.
Leave the choice in the hands of individual women. Not coming at this as a "liberal". I'm coming at this as more of a Libertarian.
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Why doesn't the man have a say? I lost a child because the woman I dated for 2 years had an abortion. Its funny the people who say "it takes two to make a baby" don't care that it only takes the opinion of one to kill it.
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12-20-2012, 08:00 AM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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Why doesn't the man have a say? I lost a child because the woman I dated for 2 years had an abortion. Its funny the people who say "it takes two to make a baby" don't care that it only takes the opinion of one to kill it.
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I feel your pain. But again... it's her body. Neither me, nor you, nor the GOVERNMENT can seize her and control what she wishes to do with her body. She's secure in her person, property, papers, and effects.
I think it's best to leave the control ploys and leave the choice up to individual women. Then I believe that as husbands, boyfriends, politicians, preachers, Christians, we should try to address those issues that might cause a woman to consider an abortion.
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12-20-2012, 08:01 AM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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Originally Posted by Aquila
So, here's the problem. Essentially the position that advocates banning abortion supports the GOVERNMENT seizing a woman's body and FORCING her to give birth against her will.
While I hate abortion as much as the next guy... a woman's body is her body. A GOVERNMENT that can force a woman to give birth... can force a woman to abort.
Leave the choice in the hands of individual women. Not coming at this as a "liberal". I'm coming at this as more of a Libertarian.
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That argument makes me feel pukey!
That little tiny baby has a body too and does not wish to be murdered!!
If that woman does not want a baby or if pregnancy is a big problem to her,
why doesn't she just go have herself fixed so she can never have the option to murder or not? I can agree wholeheartedly with that choice.
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12-20-2012, 08:03 AM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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Originally Posted by Aquila
So, here's the problem. Essentially the position that advocates banning abortion supports the GOVERNMENT seizing a woman's body and FORCING her to give birth against her will.
While I hate abortion as much as the next guy... a woman's body is her body. A GOVERNMENT that can force a woman to give birth... can force a woman to abort.
Leave the choice in the hands of individual women. Not coming at this as a "liberal". I'm coming at this as more of a Libertarian.
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I have libertarian views, but I don't advocate a baby being forced to be killed against it's will.
A woman has to be forced to give birth to a killed fetus too. Some things are just nature whether people like it or not.
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12-20-2012, 08:06 AM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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Originally Posted by Aquila
I feel your pain. But again... it's her body. Neither me, nor you, nor the GOVERNMENT can seize her and control what she wishes to do with her body. She's secure in her person, property, papers, and effects.
I think it's best to leave the control ploys and leave the choice up to individual women. Then I believe that as husbands, boyfriends, politicians, preachers, Christians, we should try to address those issues that might cause a woman to consider an abortion.
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That baby got in there somehow. She made choices. Now, she has to choose to kill it and give birth to a dead baby or give birth to a live baby. But she MUST give birth. That is because of choices SHE made.
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12-20-2012, 08:27 AM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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The difference: abortion is killing. Guns are an object.
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I think there is a misunderstanding here. These activists aren't against "guns". They are for mandatory safety courses for people, not guns. They are for more thorough background checks on people, not guns. They want stricter negligence penalties on people, not guns.
Some want to "ban" people from acquiring weapons they have no serious use for. Eh... I'm willing to entertain the notion of banning certain magazines or type of weapon. But I think the ban should expire in 5-10 years, after a national study on as to it's effectiveness. Please note... I'd rather not. But it's a political compromise. Why? Because I want something too; I want something that I know will never happen unless we give a little. I want to see the following:
- Schools, churches, businesses, and agencies able to opt out of being “gun free zones” so that they can allow “staff” with concealed weapons permits to carry.
- Better security and screening to enter schools.
- And escape doors in every classroom. In our security briefings one thing brought up was if an intruder were to go room to room breaching doors, the occupants of every room (or classroom in a school) are sitting ducks. There should be a way of escape. That way if an intruder does happen to get beyond security and start to open fire, rooms can lock down and begin evacuation.
We armed pilots and enhanced screening at airports… and we’ve not had another hijacking. Arm teachers and enhance security in schools and maybe we’ll not see anything of this magnitude again.
And… if we allow the ban to expire in 5 to 10 years, we’ll have a study on if the ban worked (which I predict it will be proven to have had little effect) , we can celebrate having not only worked together to make the country safer… but we will have expanded gun rights significantly.
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12-20-2012, 08:29 AM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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Originally Posted by Lacey
That argument makes me feel pukey!
That little tiny baby has a body too and does not wish to be murdered!!
If that woman does not want a baby or if pregnancy is a big problem to her,
why doesn't she just go have herself fixed so she can never have the option to murder or not? I can agree wholeheartedly with that choice.
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I could too. But some women might not want to be "fixed". Why are we treating them like pets to "fix" and control with regards to their person? Sure, I don't agree with abortion. But I am also leery of allowing the GOVERNMENT to FORCE a woman to give birth against her will. For better or for worse... it's her body.
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