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Old 12-21-2012, 06:17 PM
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Re: Pastor Epley, please consider this.......

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Your statement just demonstrates your ignorance and shallow understanding as to what the baptism in the Holy Ghost actually is, and what it accomplishes in a person's life. What you've described here is a sotierological impossibility.

When God fills someone with the Spirit, he is declaring that Christ's blood has made them a fit vessel for him to inhabit. He is declaring them to be washed, holy, sanctified, and justified.

In another place you said....



I hear this discussion all the time.."When is the blood applied to the sinner? Is it at repentance or baptism? Is the blood in the Name?" I'll tell when the blood is applied to the sinner.....NEVER!! It seems you and others are teaching some sort of transubstantiation. Let me be clear, THE BLOOD OF JESUS IS NEVER APPLIED TO ANYONE. The blood of Jesus is not circling the earth, waiting to be poured out on repentant sinners. The blood has ALREADY been applied for the ENTIRE human race! Hebrews 1:3 says....




Notice that the purging is past tense. God told Peter concerning the yet unconverted Gentile Cornelius...
(Acts 10:15)

Again, notice the use of the past tense. In God's mind, the cleansing had already taken place.

The blood of Jesus satisfied the demands of God's justice. Furthermore, it purchased the entire human race for God. God purchased every human being to be the temple his Spirit would live in.

Now certainly the sinner must personally appropriate the work of the cross by faith by repenting and being baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus. But to say that somehow we are "applying the blood" to them by saying the word "Jesus", and that their salvation is narrowed down to this fine detail, is BLASPHEMY and actually weakens the finished work of the cross!!

What we should be focusing on when we baptizing someone in Jesus name? Instead of mindlessly shouting over the fact that someone said the right words, we should be focusing on making sure that sinner understands the seriousness of what he is about to do. When a sinner submits to baptism, he is in effect saying...



Oh but instead, we rush them through heart felt repentance, not allowing the Law to be a school master to bring the knowledge of sin. We rush them right into the baptistry and then shout more for what the baptizer said than we shout for the sinner who has come home. Half the time they have no idea what they've just done and figure, "Oh well, I sure seemed to have made these people happy. I guess that's enough".

Back to my previous statement on your shallow understanding of what Holy Ghost baptism is and what it accomplishes. Let's be clear. The only LITERAL cleansing anyone ever gets comes from Holy Ghost baptism. Yes, it took the blood to justify us so a Holy God could inhabit us. But it's not the death of Christ that ultimately saves us, it's his LIFE! Look at Romans 5;10.....


What saves us? Paul tells us in Titus 3:5 EXACTLY what it is that saves us!!


There it is Pastor Epley!! Paul tells us what saves us!! But YOU don't believe it!! You commit blasphemy and trample underfoot the blood of Christ by saying that those God saved by "washing of rebirth and renewal of the Holy Spirit" aren't really saved!

Galatians 4:6 says...



Pastor Epley says they are not sons.

Romans 8:15 says....



Pastor Epley says they are not adopted.

Ephesians 1:13 says....



Pastor Epley says they are not God's own and that they have no inheritance.

Galatians 3:14 says....



Pastor Epley says, that even though they have the Spirit, they still don't have the blessings of Abraham.

I Corinthians 6:11 says....



Pastor Epley says that even though they are "washed, sanctified and justified", they are still going to hell.


Acts 15:8-9 says....



Here Holy Ghost baptism is described as what literally purifies the heart through faith. But Pastor Epley says that even though the Holy host purified their hearts, they are still going to hell.

Now, having said all of that, I will also say that within the ranks of Trinitarian Pentecostal churches, the baptism in the Holy Ghost is seldom mentioned anymore, which leads me to believe fewer and fewer people are actually being regenerated in their midst. Very sad.

Oneness Pentecostals are also falling into the trap of preaching a "life enhancement gospel". I expect true conversions to start waning within their ranks as well.
Wow....All that time spent to propagate complete error.

Though I don't have the time right this moment, there was more hermeneutical error here than a lesbian pastor could spew out!

You clearly need to learn about biblical soteriology.

One quick hint: The epistles you referenced were alllll addressed to folks already water baptized in Jesus' Name (Gal. 3.27; I Cor. 1.13; Rom. 6.3-4; Titus 3.5; Eph. 4.5; etc.).

You are the one who needs to go back to the drawing board....Not Elder Epley !

Will try to get back later to offer point-by-point analysis of your mistakes....Since they are virtually every sentence you posted.
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