Why Imply No Tongues = No Salvation?

[Cindy]

Why do we not look for the appearance of cloven tongues, like as of fire?

[Cindy]

On the day of Pentecost they spoke with known tongues. They didn't need translators.

[Pressing-On]

Acts 2:4 says that they “spoke with other tongues”.

“Other”, in the Greek, means “different/altered/strange”. The multitude present understood their dialect, but the person’s speaking in tongues knew it as a language different than their own.

How do we know this? Because, it is the same today.

When the accounts concerning the infilling of the Holy Ghost say things like these references I have cited, there is no way I will try to say it is not and never has been the initial evidence of the infilling of the Holy Ghost. The evidence is too solid to be against it.

Acts 2:4 “And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues…”

Acts 2:33 "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear."

2:9-11 “ Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Acts:2:45-46 “…because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues…”

Acts 10:47 "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?"

Acts 19:6 “And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues…”

I Cor 14:22” Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:…”

[seekerman]

What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain

Oh! precious is the flow
That makes me white as snow;
No other fount I know,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

For my pardon, this I see,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
For my cleansing this my plea,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain

Nothing can for sin atone,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
Naught of good that I have done,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain

This is all my hope and peace,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
This is all my righteousness,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain

Now by this I’ll overcome—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus,
Now by this I’ll reach my home—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain

Glory! Glory! This I sing—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus,
All my praise for this I bring—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Refrain

[Dordrecht]

Many here think it should be like this:



What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but my uncut hair,;
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but my long skirts.



Oh! precious is the flow
That makes me white as snow;
No other fount I know,
Nothing but the speaking in tongues.

For my pardon, this I see,
Nothing but my dress code;
For my cleansing this my plea,
Nothing but my little 6 year old boy,
with a 2 piece suit and tie.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Many here think it should be like this:



What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but my uncut hair,;
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but my long skirts.



Oh! precious is the flow
That makes me white as snow;
No other fount I know,
Nothing but the speaking in tongues.

For my pardon, this I see,
Nothing but my dress code;
For my cleansing this my plea,
Nothing but my little 6 year old boy,
with a 2 piece suit and tie.

Yes, that would be the oneness pentecostal version. An additional verse would read....

What can wash away my sins
what can make be whole again
what can redeem this sinful creature
nothing but the baptismal words of the preacher

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Many here think it should be like this:



What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but my uncut hair,;
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but my long skirts.



Oh! precious is the flow
That makes me white as snow;
No other fount I know,
Nothing but the speaking in tongues.

For my pardon, this I see,
Nothing but my dress code;
For my cleansing this my plea,
Nothing but my little 6 year old boy,
with a 2 piece suit and tie.

Beautiful!

Thanks for sharing......

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Jesus said that the believers would handle snakes.
Where is the insistence that we ALL handle snakes as part of passing through the birth canal of salvation?

Where is the insistence that we ALL drive out demons?

Where is the insistence that we ALL heal? Using Oneness logic, are we not "safe" until we lay our hands on someone who is sick and see that the Lord heals them?

But we insist that a person is not "safe" until the Lord confirms their new birth by speaking in tongues?

Doesn't anyone see the inconsistency in this?


In the New Testament, there is one person who plainly asks the question, "What must I do to be saved?"

Was the answer given incomplete?

According to many, yes Paul's recorded answer was incomplete and even inconsistent with the truth of God's Word. However, Paul's answer to the Phillipian jailer seems complete and consistent with all of the very plain scriptures related to salvation.

Jesus was prophesying of the church age in Mark 16.17...All of which we see fulfilled in Acts & in the daily affairs of believers.


Acts 2.37 was the first NT question relative to salvation. If the question is the same from the lips of guilty sinners, so is the answer given from the lips of the man w/ the keys to heaven.


And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40 And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.


The Philippian Jailer was a pagan in need of the knowledge of Jesus Christ & Paul was merely telling him to turn from his false gods to the True God "and you shall be saved, you and your household." If taken at face value devoid of context like you are doing, then the "belief" of the Philippian jailer would "save" his entire household!?


Moreover, there was no command from Paul for the jailer to Repent. Using the criteria offered above, can we now say that a person does not have to Repent of their sins to be saved....Or "was the answer given incomplete?"


The next verse states that they spoke the word of the Lord to him, he demonstrated signs of repentance by washing their stripes, was baptized within the hour (which means they directed him to do so), & had an experience which caused him to "rejoice greatly." The Greek verb translated "Rejoice(d)" in vs. 34 derives from the GK. #21 (See Strong's) & defines as "Properly, to Jump for Joy"!


The way the first person got into the NT church is the way the last person will get into the NT church. The way the first person was baptized is the way the last person will be baptized....& the way the first person received the Holy Spirit is the way the last person will receive the Holy Spirit!


"By one Spirit we were all baptized into one body."




Honestly hoping & praying you make the biblical decision....God Bless!

[houston]

Y'all had too much egg nog.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Yes, that would be the oneness pentecostal version. An additional verse would read....

What can wash away my sins
what can make be whole again
what can redeem this sinful creature
nothing but the baptismal words of the preacher

Actually, it would be the Bible version....Oughta' try it sometime instead of fighting it like a tiger !

It's quite liberating from the false doctrines propagated by Trinitarians !