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[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by Sam

There is no one/single UPCI teaching on water baptism. There are several different teachings within the UPC on water baptism. These various teachings go the gamut from the idea that water baptism is what Jesus referred to as "born of water" in John 3:5 (the Roman Catholic teaching) to the teaching that water baptism is a symbolic public burial of the old person you used to be and a testimony that you believe int the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Then there are those who look at baptism as a symbolic washing and others who believe that sins are not remitted/forgiven/washed away until a person has been baptized with the "proper" words by a being spoken by a minister. Then there are several different "formulas" used in water baptism in the UPC. Some which teach that the 3 words "Lord" plus "Jesus" plus "Christ" equal one name and others which use the name "Jesus" with or without various titles such as "Lord" or "Christ" or "Father" or "Son" or "Holy Ghost." Therefore I cannot say that "the UPCI's teaching on water baptism is wrong" or right since there are differences in teaching within the organization.

All I can say say is...hog wash!

I don't know where you have been and who you have been in contact with, but we evidently haven't ran in the same circles.

I have travelled extensively within the UPCI for over 25 years and never one time have I ever heard one UPCI preacher say anything other than John 3:5 (the New Birth) is accquired by obeying Acts 2:38.

Not one......

BTW

This is the official UPCI statement on water baptism, is this wrong?


The saving gospel is the good news that Jesus died for our sins, was buried, and rose again. We obey the gospel (II Thessalonians 1:8; I Peter 4:17) by repentance (death to sin), water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ (burial), and receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit (resurrection). (See I Corinthians 15:1-4; Acts 2:4, 37-39; Romans 6:3-4.)


http://www.upci.org/about-us/beliefs

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

All I can say say is...hog wash!

I don't know where you have been and who you have been in contact with, but we evidently haven't ran in the same circles.

I have travelled extensively within the UPCI for over 25 years and never one time have I ever heard one UPCI preacher say anything other than John 3:5 (the New Birth) is accquired by obeying Acts 2:38.

Not one......

BTW

This is the official UPCI statement on water baptism, is this wrong?


The saving gospel is the good news that Jesus died for our sins, was buried, and rose again. We obey the gospel (II Thessalonians 1:8; I Peter 4:17) by repentance (death to sin), water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ (burial), and receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit (resurrection). (See I Corinthians 15:1-4; Acts 2:4, 37-39; Romans 6:3-4.)


http://www.upci.org/about-us/beliefs

The opinion that "born of water" means water baptism is a later development among Apostolic/Pentecostals. Early Apostolic/Pentecostals believed they were saved prior to and separate from the 2 baptisms (water and Spirit). The 3 step salvation theory has been pushed and promoted by a vocal and militant minority of Apostolic Pentecostals until now they've filled the UPC with that theory and are trying to get people to believe that it has always been the teaching of the UPC. When the UPC was formed in 1945 some believed in a three-step plan of salvation and some believed in a one-step plan of salvation. The first issue of the Pentecostal Herald said that articles from both viewpoints would be accepted.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

...This is the official UPCI statement on water baptism, is this wrong?


The saving gospel is the good news that Jesus died for our sins, was buried, and rose again. We obey the gospel (II Thessalonians 1:8; I Peter 4:17) by repentance (death to sin), water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ (burial), and receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit (resurrection). (See I Corinthians 15:1-4; Acts 2:4, 37-39; Romans 6:3-4.)


http://www.upci.org/about-us/beliefs

That is the "official" party line promoted by those who have obtained control of the political leadership of the UPC after blatantly refusing to live by the spirit of the merger and the 1945 fundamental doctrine statement. They have trivialized, marginalized, demonized, and ostracized the one-steppers until what began in 1945 as a gentlemen's agreement became a hostile takeover by mean-spirited and small-minded men who have either driven the one-steppers out or underground.

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by Sam

That is the "official" party line promoted by those who have obtained control of the political leadership of the UPC after blatantly refusing to live by the spirit of the merger and the 1945 fundamental doctrine statement. They have trivialized, marginalized, demonized, and ostracized the one-steppers until what began in 1945 as a gentlemen's agreement became a hostile takeover by mean-spirited and small-minded men who have either driven the one-steppers out or underground.

That's strictly YOUR opinion, an OPINION that is faulty at best.

What actually happened was the PAJC swallowed PCI FALSE doctrine at the "Merger".

The PAJC Brethren then refused to allow the PCI FALSE teachings to become the organizational doctrinal format and the PCI one steppers' message of saved at repentance was flatly rejected by the next generation of truth loving men in the UPCI.....

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Sam

The opinion that "born of water" means water baptism is a later development among Apostolic/Pentecostals. Early Apostolic/Pentecostals believed they were saved prior to and separate from the 2 baptisms (water and Spirit). The 3 step salvation theory has been pushed and promoted by a vocal and militant minority of Apostolic Pentecostals until now they've filled the UPC with that theory and are trying to get people to believe that it has always been the teaching of the UPC. When the UPC was formed in 1945 some believed in a three-step plan of salvation and some believed in a one-step plan of salvation. The first issue of the Pentecostal Herald said that articles from both viewpoints would be accepted.

Bishop Haywood died in 29 and he taught the new birth was Acts 2:38 and it was in the articles of faith in the PAW early on.

[seekerman]

Same old same old that's been posted over and over and over and over and over.

But...what about the blood of Jesus?

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Same old same old that's been posted over and over and over and over and over.

But...what about the blood of Jesus?

Come on, don't be skeered.

You tell us.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

Come on, don't be skeered.

You tell us.

Let the mass pentecostal choir lift their voices.....a one and a two....

Nothing About The Blood of Jesus.

Sing it, sing it loud and proud!!

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Let the mass pentecostal choir lift their voices.....a one and a two....

Nothing About The Blood of Jesus.

Sing it, sing it loud and proud!!

Typical for a trinitarian..........

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

Typical for a trinitarian..........

You sure know how to hurt a guy.